Different camera angle on Pig Fumble. MUST SEE!

[livefaith]

From the head on position, you can't tell if he was in control of the ball. The side view video shows separation between his hand and the ball before the goal line.

Sad, but true.

No, but you can look at the collision of the feet and defender to determine exactly when he lost control. Then simply go back to side view and see where the ball was when that collision occurred. It happened after he broke the plane.

It was a TD imo. That's 90%.
It was not indisputable proof enough to overturn field TD ruling. That's 100% imo.

 

[KYVolFan]

The refs were gonna make sure we didn't spoil the dawgs national championship hopes regardless!

Clearly the ball was out of Pig's control when it got to the goal line. Anyone having any other conclusion must be blind or a complete homer. Tom Ritter and his coaching crew performed admirably.

Everyone is disappointed in the outcome but left us all compliment our team on how they played. This was most assuredly their best effort so far this year.

 

[Bryan1]

This is probably the worst possible angle to see whether it was a fumble or not... side view shows that pig lost control of the ball well before the goal line.

No, it don't show that it was well before. He was in a dive, reaching with the ball in one hand!

 

[UTK]

I agree with you op. a lot of morons on here don't know what "obvious" means.

 

[BACKDOC]

This angle makes it even more convincing. Now we know there is no way it was not out of bounds on the half yd. line. Because on the other angle it is his hand that hits the pylon, and not the ball.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Obvious we need finger cam view.

That or flying fairy camera operators.

 

[majic73]

It was an obvious fumble. Get over it, no one not wearing orange glasses doesn't think it was a fumble.

I thought that too from watching the network angles. when you take this angle and watch it side by side with the network angle ...it appears the ball broke the plane before Pig lost the handle

On the network angle , the tip of the ball rotated around creating the illusion that the ball was floating ..however watching video from endzone shows that he still has the ball and the ball was horizontal.

He held the ball from a 1/2 second after impact with the GA player ...watching the network angle you can see that the ball had broken the plane at this point.

On the flip side ..the refs did not have this endzone angle and the network angle made it look like the ball was lost . A shame ...but not a bad call given the info they had

 

[peerless98]

This is an easy rule to fix; if the ball is fumbled forward out of bounds, the ball is marked at the point the ball carrier fumbled it.

 

[wolfe]

I don't mean to dwell on the past, but they showed the fumble from a different view on the local channel. During the broadcast, the side angle made it look like he never had control with his left hand, but in this video he clearly did. And from my vantage point, he maintained control until the very moment the ball separated from his finger tips.

This is the very reason why video evidence must be INDISPUTABLE. After seeing this video and going back to the side angle, I am more convinced that the evidence was NOT indisputable. If there is any shred of doubt, the call stands.

With all that said, I couldn't be more proud of our guys, and honestly, the biggest win today came on the recruiting front, and my best guess is we won BIG. GO VOLS!!!

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You're full of crap! It was a fumble.

 

[wolfe]

This is an easy rule to fix; if the ball is fumbled forward out of bounds, the ball is marked at the point the ball carrier fumbled it.

So now you're writing your own rules. The ball was fumbled into the endzone,which has been a touchback since forever.

 

[American Pig]

I'm stunned how many people are either blind or don't understand the rules.

The ball was in Pig's possession at the chalk. He never lost possession until it leaves his fingers PAST the pylon. These are indisputable facts confirmed by the video's. There is absolutely no indisputable video evidence that the ball left the hand before the stripe - and full confirmation it did not.

That call to overturn is an outrage. It simply cannot be defended to anyone who knows the rules.

 

[American Pig]

You're full of crap! It was a fumble.

You're an idiot - or blind. The fumble was past the stripe.
Facts are facts. The video doesn't lie.

 

[PeytonBerry]

You're full of crap! It was a fumble.

Seriously? It's really easy to come on here and say something rude and demeaning. It's more difficult to bring something of substance to the discussion.

I'm entitled to my opinion just as much as anyone else. Show some class.

 

[Bryan1]

You're an idiot - or blind. The fumble was past the stripe.
Facts are facts. The video doesn't lie.

Exactly! You are correct, people seem to forget that the ball doesn't have to cross the white line, only break the front edge of it. As for the people that claim it was coming out at the half yard line, I don't know what they were watching. He was diving for the goal line with the ball in one hand, either way there was not enough video evidence for the call on the field to be overturned, it supposed to be conclusive evidence!

 

[VolsRule]

ut should protest the game and send the tape to the SEC office.

 

[peerless98]

So now you're writing your own rules. The ball was fumbled into the endzone,which has been a touchback since forever.

How astute of you to point out; maybe next time you can read a post in context. My point was in response to discussion about the reason/purpose for the rule.

 

[Biopsyman]

Wtf - it's over

 

[peerless98]

seriously? It's really easy to come on here and say something rude and demeaning when you can hide behind a keyboard. It's more difficult to bring something of substance to the discussion.

I'm entitled to my opinion just as much as anyone else. Show some class.

fyp

 

[American Pig]

Exactly! You are correct, people seem to forget that the ball doesn't have to cross the white line, only break the front edge of it. As for the people that claim it was coming out at the half yard line, I don't know what they were watching. He was diving for the goal line with the ball in one hand, either way there was not enough video evidence for the call on the field to be overturned, it supposed to be conclusive evidence!

Correct. The ball is clearly in full contact with his fingers as he crosses, then he releases after the pylon (score), the point where a fumble occurs. He even redirects the ball as he releases - indisputable proof he had not lost possession. There is not even the slightest evidence he lost the ball before the stripe, much less indisputable evidence.

The decision to overturn is indefensible. Somebody needs to nail the clown in the booth who threw the game to UGA.

 

[UT_Tix79]

If you watch, he loses the ball with his right hand, and you can tell its unintentional because his right hand continues moving towards his left.

Sometimes crap happens, it was 100% a fumble, he wasn't trying to switch it to just 1 hand, the ball just comes out.

Had he been just switching hands, his hand would not keep traveling towards his left hand. He had force on the ball with both hands, when he starts to lose it, that applied force from his right hand is reapplied in the motion you see. Once his right hand force was gone, the ball trajectory changes and starts coming out.

His fingers are still touching the ball when it crosses the goal line, but control has already been lost

 

[armchair]

I'm stunned how many people are either blind or don't understand the rules.

The ball was in Pig's possession at the chalk. He never lost possession until it leaves his fingers PAST the pylon. These are indisputable facts confirmed by the video's. There is absolutely no indisputable video evidence that the ball left the hand before the stripe - and full confirmation it did not.

That call to overturn is an outrage. It simply cannot be defended to anyone who knows the rules.

He was about half a yard from the goal line when he loses the ball. The ball was not in his possession when it went past the goal line. You can't see the ball in relation to the goal line from the end zone--DUH! Stop being homers.

 

[Bryan1]

If you watch, he loses the ball with his right hand, and you can tell its unintentional because his right hand continues moving towards his left.

Sometimes crap happens, it was 100% a fumble, he wasn't trying to switch it to just 1 hand, the ball just comes out.

Had he been just switching hands, his hand would not keep traveling towards his left hand. He had force on the ball with both hands, when he starts to lose it, that applied force from his right hand is reapplied in the motion you see. Once his right hand force was gone, the ball trajectory changes and starts coming out.

His fingers are still touching the ball when it crosses the goal line, but control has already been lost

Yeah... not what I saw!

 

[Bryan1]

He was about half a yard from the goal line when he loses the ball. The ball was not in his possession when it went past the goal line. You can't see the ball in relation to the goal line from the end zone--DUH! Stop being homers.

Its not about being a homer. The ball was still in his hand when it reached the goal line. I am seriously starting to believe, whatever you'r reasons that some of you wanted UT to lose this game.

 

[truevol8]

I've watched it a dozen times, both angles.

And I can't tell. I believe it was a fumble, but the more replays I watch, I believe it's possible that he did have control up until the instant the ball broke the plane of the goal.

But stated another way, it's a fumble. Whether he conclusively did or didn't possess the ball long enough. It's a fumble because the referees said that it was.

Referee signaled a TD first and then it was looked at, first call was a TD and there was not 100% proof it wasn't a TD. In my opinion it was a fumble but the call was a TD and didn't have enough to overturn it but they did.

 

[jasonvol18]

It was an obvious fumble. Get over it, no one not wearing orange glasses doesn't think it was a fumble.

Exactly, its unfortunate but it definitely was a fumble. What irks me is all the pass interference calls on that last drive. Especially one against Sutton, aweful call.