Dilfer's critique of Dobbs, Ferguson and Bray as QB Prospects

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tennesseeduke said:
Yes and Bray won the Elite 11 QB challenge in 2009 so what does that mean?

:good!:

Bray will make a roster, probably a 2nd round pick. You cannot deny his size and arm. However his head needs to be understood. That's why NFL scouts get paid.

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Actually, he finished second to Jake heaps in the elite 11 camp. Tyler is extremely talented and has every measurable an NFL scout could dream of. But on the other hand, Tyler will never be even an average NFL Qb until he realizes that championships are won in the film room. He needs the maturity to realize he can't just go out and fling it in the NFL. Those guys will eat him alive.
 
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Bray has no mobility, panics under pressure and has very little if any leadership ability--those are big weaknesses that will hurt him as a pro. He will be under a much bigger pass rush in the NFL than he was in college. Good NFL QBs know how to "buy time" when they are under pressure by moving around a bit while still looking downfield. I'm not sure if Bray can do that. I think Bray is very much like Ainge--another guy with a good arm but no mobility and no talent for making plays under pressure. We see what he is doing now. I hope Bray becomes a star and wish him good luck, but he's got a tough learning curve ahead of him. For every QB who makes it as a steady starter in the NFL, there are 30 QBs who couldn't cut it for one reason or another. It's a tough job.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Yes and Bray won the Elite 11 QB challenge in 2009 so what does that mean?

:good!:

Bray will make a roster, probably a 2nd round pick. You cannot deny his size and arm. However his head needs to be understood. That's why NFL scouts get paid.

:cray:

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Bray only won the accuracy drill, I don't believe he won the overall Elite 11, but I maybe wrong?
 
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ItsAllVols said:
Bray only won the accuracy drill, I don't believe he won the overall Elite 11, but I maybe wrong?
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2009 Elite 11 QB Awards | Gridironstuds.com Blog

2009 Elite 11 QB Camp Awards:
Golden Gun Accuracy Award: Tyler Bray
Best Feet: Devin Gardner
Most Likely To Play Early: Jake Heaps
Most Upside: Tyler Bray
Best Leader By Example:*Nick Montana
Best Leader Vocally: Jake Heaps
Highest Football IQ: Jake Heaps
Best In The Classroom: Devin Gardner
Best Arm: Robert Bolden
Most Accuracy: Chandler Whitmer
Best In Any System: Nick Montana
Quickest Release: Robert Bolden
Most Improved: Nick Montana
Most likely to win BCS Title: Jesse Scroggins
Overall MVP*– Jake Heaps
MVP Second*– Tyler Bray
MVP Third*- Chandler Whitmer
MVP Fourth*– Nick Montana
MVP Fifth*– Robert Bolden
 
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Bray issues came when the switch of coaching staff, he lost respect with the team early in his UT stay. Work effort was not there until this past year, QB job you have to learn every year you are at college. But keep in mind he is rank 7th best pick in the draft with NFL stats as a JUNIOR, comparing him to all other SENIORS for the draft.
 
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KoachKletus said:
Forgive me Vollygirl but I will speculate. The kid has tremendous talent and will represent. You don't need me to tell you that the conditions on the hill for the past couple of years were not very conducive to player development. I may get blasted for saying this, but UT's athletic department failed on developing this young (soon to be NFL star) kid. He will find a spot in the NFL and in my opinion he will look back at his UT years and say,,,damn,,,we went through all of that.
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LOL at this steaming pile of garbage. Blaming one's problems on everything else but themselves. It's always someone else's fault. You'll get exactly nowhere thinking like that unless of course you're Barack Obama.
 
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mdrew27 said:
Dilfer's words are useless. He was a over rated QB. He sucks at his current job and has no business speculating about any football prospects.
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LOL. You have no idea what you're talking about. I bet that sounded so good in your head when you hit "submit reply."

Get a clue.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
Well you're right, but I think the unique circumstances surrounding the program and our former head coach warrant a different look at Bray than "he didn't get it done in college." That may affect his draft stock considerably, much like 2008 sank Arian foster. We all know how that turned out, and I feel (call it orange tainted glasses if you will) Bray is more than capable enough of being an excellent NFL caliber QB.
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Bray has all the physical talent, I just don't think he can read defenses. JMO.
 
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Rudy123 said:
I remember a few weeks prior to Ray Guy being drafted. No one mentioned him being selected in the first round of the NFL draft. No one selects a punter in the first round.

I remember a few weeks prior to Sebanitian Janokawski being selected in the first round of the NFL draft. No one slects a kicker in the first round.

My point is that just because no one is mentioning Bray being a 2nd rounder doesn't mean it won't happen.

My personal opinion is that he will be a 4th rounder and Pittsburgh will draft him to be Ben's back up. Pittsburgh already said that they will draft a q.b. in the middle of late rounds...
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LOL at you using probably the best punter to ever play along with one of the best kickers to ever play and someone weaving them into a draft comparison with Bray as if somehow he is the consensus No. 1 QB on the board. That's great stuff right there.
 
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mdrew27 said:
Dilfer blows. I would think this if I weren't a fan of UT.
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Your opinion is insane. Literally nobody agrees with you and in fact they believe the exact opposite but go ahead and be stubborn with your garbage opinion. Hope it feels good to you.
 
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FRO said:
Im not a big fan of Dilfer, i understand his oppurtunity to spend time with prospects however...if it came from a more respectful guy like gruden or young, I would sit up in my chair.....not the case.
We allllllll know what bray is capable of doing and not doing.....so we are all trent dilfers..
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How is Dilfer disrespectful?
 
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vollygirl said:
I'm not being tough on him. I'm saying he wasn't mature enough to make sound decisions....on or off the field. Had nothing to do with Dooley.
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So you don't think that having better leadership from the coaching staff (head coach in particular) over his three year tenure at UT would have made for better results on and off the field?

It's not all Dooley's fault but its not all Tyler's either. Dooley allowed him to be what he was.
 
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GahLee said:
So you don't think that having better leadership from the coaching staff (head coach in particular) over his three year tenure at UT would have made for better results on and off the field?

It's not all Dooley's fault but its not all Tyler's either. Dooley allowed him to be what he was.
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Same with others.............Da'Rick, for example.
 
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GahLee said:
So you don't think that having better leadership from the coaching staff (head coach in particular) over his three year tenure at UT would have made for better results on and off the field?

It's not all Dooley's fault but its not all Tyler's either. Dooley allowed him to be what he was.
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Logic would say better leadership would've given him better results. I won't argue that point at all. And I'm not saying anything is Bray's fault. All I'm saying is that it appears to me (just my opinion) he lacked the maturity to handle the situation. A lot of young men excel despite their circumstances. And I think maturity plays a role in that.
 
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bmaultbay said:
Bray has all the physical talent, I just don't think he can read defenses. JMO.
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His stats would definitely tend to agree with you. Bray absolutely feasted on inferior opposition, but his productivity hit the "famine" cycle against top-tier SEC defenses. That long-range missile launcher attached to his right shoulder talked his brain into making entirely too many mistakes at the most inopportune times against such opponents, a point that Dilfer emphasized heavily. Incidentally, in a tribute to his extraordinary talent, Dilfer also said that Bray's film provided some of the most enjoyable highlights that he has ever watched.
 
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Vegas_Ferguson said:
With emphasis on "Vag" that day, courtesy of one Hubert Simpson I believe.
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Yes, Simpson tallied four touchdowns that day, which ties for the second-most rushing touchdowns by a Tennessee running back in a single game, as well as 117 yds.
 
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mdrew27 said:
Dilfer's words are useless. He was a over rated QB. He sucks at his current job and has no business speculating about any football prospects.
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Well what are your credentials to evaluate his? I mean while he was a journeyman NFL QB, what did you do as to where your opinion would trump his as far as evaluating QB talent?
 
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#96
Bray was a bad leader under kiffen too... hmm. Two bad leaders at head coach and a bad leader at QB. Wonder why we have sucked since 2007?
 
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VOLinthaNATI said:
LOL at this steaming pile of garbage. Blaming one's problems on everything else but themselves. It's always someone else's fault. You'll get exactly nowhere thinking like that unless of course you're Barack Obama.
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So,,in other words, you think that the conditions on the hill when Bray arrived, until the day Dooley left were conducive to positive player development. If you honestly believe that, then the only pile of steaming garbage is between your ears. SMH.
 
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Boca Vol said:
He's a Super Bowl winning QB:

"The problem is that he lacks, he seriously lacks discipline in his game..."

"He gets away with it, often."

"Most of his errors shoe up when the game is on the line?"

I enjoyed watching Bray play, but Dilfer is spot on.
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Dilfer definitely didn't hold back, that's for sure. He said Bray won't get away with that lack of discipline in the NFL.

I found it interesting that he question he asked of Bray was, can you trust him? Can you trust him in critical situations? He pointed to Bray's play in the UGA game after it was tied up late and the last possession of the Missouri game, when he threw late and missed an open tight end. Dilfer questioned whether Bray thinks differently in big moments than he does under normal circumstances. It's a fair point I think.

But even with all the criticism, he said Bray's film is "really fun to watch".

It was a solid interview IMO.

Question for those in this thread. Do you consider Bray a student of the game?
 
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Freak said:
But even with all the criticism, he said Bray's film is "really fun to watch".
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I don't blame Dilfer for questioning some of Tyler's decisions, but to be fair to the kid he was living in constant fear of his defense collapsing despite his best efforts. I think that actually resulted in him not playing particularly relaxed late in games and probably putting a lot of unnecessary pressure on himself.

I tend to think if he's put in a bad situation, like a Buffalo, where he is expected to play early on a team that's just not that good he probably will flame out. Primarily because that seems to be the trend for young QBs more so than anything about Tyler. If he gets drafted and has a chance to adjust to the NFL on a better team I have a feeling he'll be around for a while.

Personally, I liked Tyler. He was a good QB who was fun to watch. He just had the distinction of playing on some really terrible TN teams. That's really what amplified his mistakes. He pretty much had to play perfect every game for us to win, and I'm not sure anyone (even Peyton) could have salvaged last season.
 
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