Discussion of gay rights, religion, abortion...oh yeah, and Pete Rose

#51
#51
Your vote doesn't matter? Interesting.

I would certainly vote for gay marriages. They deserve equal rights. They will be judged when we all get to Heaven for their sins, just as as you and I will. They should not be judged for that here on earth
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#52
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volfanbill said:
Your vote doesn't matter? Interesting.

I would certainly vote for gay marriages. They deserve equal rights. They will be judged when we all get to Heaven for their sins, just as as you and I will. They should not be judged for that here on earth
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My vote matters, but its not like my vote is the one vote that denied them marriage rights.

as for the part in bold. yes we will all be judged, but u voting for them to have marriage rights is supporting them. just because you vote against them having marriage rights doesn't mean u judge them. i see that you say you believe one thing but support something that goes against your beliefs. if i was judging them i wldn't work w/ them or have conversations with them, etc. like i've said a million times just because i try to live my life w/ the way the bible says doesn't mean i'm judging someone.
 
#53
#53
How is voting against giving someone equal rights not judging them? You are preventing them from being equal.
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#54
#54
equal how? if i'm not mistaken they have every right that i do. here's the deal. The Bible says marriage is between man AND woman. not man and man or woman and woman. i vote with what the Bible teaches. if the Bible said that marriage also included man and man or woman and woman then i'd vote for it, but it doesn't so i don't. that doesn't mean i judge them.
 
#56
#56
To be fair, the people in the bible often had multiple wives. Are you advocating polygamy?
 
#58
#58
no i'm not for polygamy, but God made Adam and Eve, man and woman to be together. That's what I support and believe.
 
#59
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Vol Mania 21 said:
no i'm not for polygamy, but God made Adam and Eve, man and woman to be together. That's what I support and believe.
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But what does the Bible have to do with American rights? Who says we have to follow what the Christian Bible considers marriage? There are other beliefs in the US
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#60
#60
well if i'm not mistaken wasn't this country founded on Christian beliefs? regardless, i don't want to have to answer for supporting something that God is against. if you feel you can do that then go ahead.
 
#61
#61
i know i blindly follow a book that was written, in some cases, over 2000 years ago.
 
#63
#63
I thought the country was founded on freedom of religion?
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doozer said:
i know i blindly follow a book that was written, in some cases, over 2000 years ago.
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I certainly hope you didn't miss this one.

Deuteronomy 22

Marriage Violations

13 If a man takes a wife and, after lying with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, "I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity," 15 then the girl's father and mother shall bring proof that she was a virgin to the town elders at the gate. 16 The girl's father will say to the elders, "I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has slandered her and said, 'I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.' But here is the proof of my daughter's virginity." Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver [b] and give them to the girl's father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives. 20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.
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#66
Vader brings up an interesting point. Should we punish people who have sex before marriage? That is a no no as well
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volfanbill said:
Vader brings up an interesting point. Should we punish people who have sex before marriage? That is a no no as well
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I'm not even being glib this time. This is a scripture that is uncomfortable for me as one who is divorced without any incidence of unfaithfulness. From Jesus himself...

Matthew 19

Divorce

1When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there. 3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?"
4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
7"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"
8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."
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vader said:
I'm not even being glib this time. This is a scripture that is uncomfortable for me as one who is divorced without any incidence of unfaithfulness. From Jesus himself...
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No one is perfect Vader, we have all sinned and done things unpleasing to God. I even had this debate in my Bible classes and it was agreed that if the marriage absolutley can not work, sometimes this command simply must be broken. It should be a learning experience to make sure doesn't happen again.
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#69
#69
volfanbill said:
you please by God by "doing unto others as you would have them do unto you". So by pleasing humans in the matter of treating everyone equally, I believe I please God.

You have the right to vote. You have the right to vote against allowing gay marriages or gay unions, thus denying them of rights that opposite sex marriages get.
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That has nothing to do with how you want your government to function.
 
#70
#70
volfanbill said:
Vader brings up an interesting point. Should we punish people who have sex before marriage? That is a no no as well
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I understand your point, I think you reading to much into mine. Sin is one thing. For ex. sex before marriage is a sin, not a lifestyle. you can argue for some ppl it is a lifestyle, which yes i don't support that either, but to say I think its wrong doesn't mean i'm judging them. look when i was in college there were some girls that i dated that i had relations with. not proud of it, i changed my ways and i haven't done it since, and don't plan on it til i'm married. strive to do what God wants. you'll always sin, but it doesn't mean you have to make it a lifestyle
 
#71
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volfanbill said:
Your vote doesn't matter? Interesting.

I would certainly vote for gay marriages. They deserve equal rights. They will be judged when we all get to Heaven for their sins, just as as you and I will. They should not be judged for that here on earth
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Why do we judge murderers, drunk drivers, thieves or anyone that does anything?
 
#72
#72
The move over here should really set this thing ablaze.
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#73
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JZVOL said:
Why do we judge murderers, drunk drivers, thieves or anyone that does anything?
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I would argue that those things negatively impact other members of society through loss of life or property.
 
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