Do we really need/want to be in the top 4 going into the SEC tournament?

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fall2hb86 said:
NEVER said i would take a NIT BID OVER NCAA...just said i thought it was better for this team..With our attendance we might get a home game, but not sure how that works, but sure u are the expert, so i will take your word for it
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it goes by seeding, not how many fans you draw.:hi:
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Zans said that Vandy would be +8 max...

Your the RPI expert though calban, your thoughts?
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A Vandy win at home would move the needle from 12-15 positions.
Since the last 2 teams we play are above us in RPI (significantly) the more the needle moves on a win.
Look at the results from yesterday, Home wins for Ole Miss and Georgia.
Our results would be similar.
Incidently, we're currently 5th SEC on Ken Pom.
 
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calban said:
A Vandy win at home would move the needle from 12-15 positions.
Since the last 2 teams we play are above us in RPI (significantly) the more the needle moves on a win.
Look at the results from yesterday, Home wins for Ole Miss and Georgia.
Our results would be similar.
Incidently, we're currently 5th SEC on Ken Pom.
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That was my thought process. Heading into the sec tourney at 60-65RPI and the 2/3 seed things get very real very quick.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That was my thought process. Heading into the sec tourney at 60-65RPI and the 2/3 seed things get very real very quick.
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Didn't make my point very well.
Look at the differences in RPI between the 2 teams before they played.
Georgia FLA
Bama Miss St.
Ole Miss LSU
The greater the difference in RPI, the more you jump.
Win the last 2 and we're sitting at 60-65.
LSU would be inflated because of the road win, but Vandy would be 12-15 because of the big difference in RPI.
 
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calban said:
Didn't make my point very well.
Look at the differences in RPI between the 2 teams before they played.
Georgia FLA
Bama Miss St.
Ole Miss LSU
The greater the difference in RPI, the more you jump.
Win the last 2 and we're sitting at 60-65.
LSU would be inflated because of the road win, but Vandy would be 12-15 because of the big difference in RPI.
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That we exactly my thought with the lsu and vandy games. I mean lsu has to be 15 atleast, SCjr last night was 11. Ole miss at home who was RPI 60 bumped us around 9-10 iirc, so surely vandy would be worth more.

I'd feel very good if we headed into the sec t with a rpi in the low 60's.
 
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calban said:
A Vandy win at home would move the needle from 12-15 positions.
Since the last 2 teams we play are above us in RPI (significantly) the more the needle moves on a win.
Look at the results from yesterday, Home wins for Ole Miss and Georgia.
Our results would be similar.
Incidently, we're currently 5th SEC on Ken Pom.
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Well, I hope your right and I'm wrong. Going into the mid 60's before the SECt would be awesome. I am hoping RPIforcast updates soon to see if his projections have changed.
 
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zansdad said:
Well, I hope your right and I'm wrong. Going into the mid 60's before the SECt would be awesome. I am hoping RPIforcast updates soon to see if his projections have changed.
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One things is if vandy beats Florida their rpi goes up as well, so it's an even bigger opportunity for us.

I'd love to have that bama gane back. The AP games and all those I've gotten pay, I think they were games that made this team who they are. Bama I think we flat out just looked past because of the suspensions, if we'd have won that we'd be sitting pretty right now.
 
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#110
LSU got steamrolled by 24 at Ole Miss yesterday. They'll come in pissed off. LSU plays pretty good D. If we have as many turnovers against them as we had last night then we won't win. Would love to see this team win the last 2 and go into the SEC tourney on a semi roll. After the Peay loss, I never would've figured this team would win 8 SEC games.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
One things is if vandy beats Florida their rpi goes up as well, so it's an even bigger opportunity for us.

I'd love to have that bama gane back. The AP games and all those I've gotten pay, I think they were games that made this team who they are. Bama I think we flat out just looked past because of the suspensions, if we'd have won that we'd be sitting pretty right now.
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I think the Bama game was more about Bama.
They had us scouted well and their defense was ready. They were on the skids , a little hungrier and at home.
The Peay game was the one were most of the kids realized their 90 point way wasn't going to work.
Think Martin commented something to that effect.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
LSU got steamrolled by 24 at Ole Miss yesterday. They'll come in pissed off. LSU plays pretty good D. If we have as many turnovers against them as we had last night then we won't win. Would love to see this team win the last 2 and go into the SEC tourney on a semi roll. After the Peay loss, I never would've figured this team would win 8 SEC games.
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I understand the logic, but the Vols went into Gainesville after the Gators got rolled in Lexington -- everyone was thinking the same thing.
 
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_vol said:
I understand the logic, but the Vols went into Gainesville after the Gators got rolled in Lexington -- everyone was thinking the same thing.
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We're a much better match up for LSU than we were for FLA.
Fla likes it soft but LSU likes it rough like we do.
it'll be a knock down drag out and we can't turn it over.
Not having Hall is going to hurt us.
 
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I still think our road profile is too mediocre for any chance to make NCAA's (barring winning SEC tourney). It's not all RPI driven on the selection committee.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
One things is if vandy beats Florida their rpi goes up as well, so it's an even bigger opportunity for us.

I'd love to have that bama gane back. The AP games and all those I've gotten pay, I think they were games that made this team who they are. Bama I think we flat out just looked past because of the suspensions, if we'd have won that we'd be sitting pretty right now.
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And if Vanderbilt beats Florida, then Florida's RPI goes down... It works both ways, and Tennessee has played both teams. The Vandy-Florida game doesn't really affect Tennessee in the RPI. In the SEC standings it does, though.
 
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calban said:
We're a much better match up for LSU than we were for FLA.
Fla likes it soft but LSU likes it rough like we do.
it'll be a knock down drag out and we can't turn it over.
Not having Hall is going to hurt us.
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This team is a great match-up for anyone when traveling this year.
 
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#117
I just find it crazy that we could finish 3rd in the SEC, yet watch as teams all around us in the standings dance while we NIT it up
 
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_vol said:
I understand the logic, but the Vols went into Gainesville after the Gators got rolled in Lexington -- everyone was thinking the same thing.
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I know but Fla doesn't play a lick of defense. LSU does. Since we are offensively challenged especially on the road then each possession becomes critical against a team with a pulse.

Our RPI is now at 92. We have 3 "good" wins against Fla (x 2) and against UCONN according to the RPI even though UCONN is not what everyone thinks they were going to be.

If we beat LSU and Vandy, it'll go up even further. Road wins really make it go up. Our OOC losses will be our undoing though. We have 3 bad ones according realtimerpi.com. Charleston, Oakland, and Peay. We need for Charleston or Oakland to go on a roll to get it out of that category, but I don't see that happening. The Peay loss is the huge turd in the punch bowl.
 
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GatorsGators said:
And if Vanderbilt beats Florida, then Florida's RPI goes down... It works both ways, and Tennessee has played both teams. The Vandy-Florida game doesn't really affect Tennessee in the RPI. In the SEC standings it does, though.
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They play at vandy right? Florida won't suffer much of a drop if at all from that loss.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
They play at vandy right? Florida won't suffer much of a drop if at all from that loss.
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They might not drop much with a loss but they would get a nice bump for a big road win. Either way I don't think that game means much at all for our RPI but a florida win at vandy might be slightly better for us.
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GatorsGators said:
When you're that high, every loss should affect you. One of the factors in the RPI is winning %, after all.
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Yes, but a road loss only counts as .6.

Edit: by my rough math a loss to Vandy would drop Florida's RPI to about 22 just based on their change in record. It would be mitigated a bit by Vandy's good record so around 21 or so. TIFWIW.
 
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#124
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BruinVol said:
They might not drop much with a loss but they would get a nice bump for a big road win. Either way I don't think that game means much at all for our RPI but a florida win at vandy might be slightly better for us.
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The way RPI works, if two teams you will play( the same number of times each) are playing each other, you want the team that has played the least number of games to get the win if the two have similar records. If the have vastly dissimilar records you want the worse team to win. The difference really is marginal with everyone having played 30 games or so but I guess any small boost for UT is good right now. Wow, I do nothing but talk about math on the BB boards.
 
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