Do you see what Dave Hart has done?

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TNHopeful505

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Now, I would like to say this:

I know that LaMonte made a "statement" that you may or may not believe.

I know that many have said that Gruden was not coming.

But, by a named UT spokesperson (either Hart, or Stanton) not making a public statement outright squashing the rumor when they had the opportunity.

And by Gruden not outrightly squashing the rumor, like he did with Arkansas....

They have divided this fanbase.

Why? If you come out and squash the rumors, then we move on, and everyone is probably thinking that Strong is the best hire available.

But you haven't squashed the rumors. You have not given us anything official what has gone on, and you've allowed these damaging rumors to go on, which is going to cause people to not get behind your candidate.

If Strong IS hired, then we want to know what happened with Gruden. Did Gruden just say no, and if so, did Hart do everything he could? If so, then I will gladly get behind Strong and urge him on. But if Gruden wanted the job, and Hart didn't make it happen, then I'm ticked at Hart for not giving the fans what they wanted, when it was in his power.

I'm just saying, THEY let these rumors run wild. THEY didn't comment. THEY didn't squash these rumors.

So they better do 1 of 2 things:

1) Hire Gruden, and make all of this make sense.

2) Hire someone else, but be truthful about the other candidates and tell us what really happened.

To me, that is the ONLY way you will have a shot at getting the whole fan base to rally around Strong or whoever.

I just want the truth. And I will not accept that Gruden was not talked to or offered. I know he was. And I know there was mutual interest. And I want to know why it didn't happen.

I'm hoping this Strong talk is garbage like everything else. And I'm still believing it's Gruden until I see someone different. It's the only thing that makes sense.

We have spent two weeks of the biggest media confusion and misdirection and guessing, and all of it for CHARLIE STRONG?

Yeah right. Anybody else still not buying this?

(Merge to Gruden thread if you want. Don't care)
 
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Btw, don't say "They did tell us what happened with Gruden."

One reporter said "Didn't want to deal with college"
"Hangup on assistant pay"
"didn't offer"
"Never talked to him"
"Not enough control"

NONE of those give an actual explanation of anything. At all.

I want a REAL explanation that is consistent with the facts.
 
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DD4ME said:
"Fantasy World" not strong enough for you?
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Fantasy world to talk to Gruden about the job?

If that's not a over the top denial, I don't know what it is.

It's not fantasy to think that we should reach out and talk to someone with such ties to this program.

I just didn't buy that at all.

I felt like that was a desperation move.

TIFWIW
 
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JG turned us down. It's that simple. Get over it. If the man does not want to be here so be it. Who is to say he would not be bored in a couple of years and run back to the NFL?

The OG sources were boosters and low level people in the AD dept. They forgot to check with the Gruden camp. As his agent stated this was all a joke.
 
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It is beyond hard to gauge what Dave Hart is up to and the reasoning behind it all.. If he were to land Gruden and has in fact had him locked up in principle for a while this entire process will be remembered as one of the greatest deceptions in sports!!!
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TNHopeful505 said:
Btw, don't say "They did tell us what happened with Gruden."

One reporter said "Didn't want to deal with college"
"Hangup on assistant pay"
"didn't offer"
"Never talked to him"
"Not enough control"

NONE of those give an actual explanation of anything. At all.

I want a REAL explanation that is consistent with the facts.
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Arkansas and Auburn offered him anything and he said no
 
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You raise some good points. If Strong is the guy then he is a 'top name'? We have went out and hired someone that is so recognized that it will unite the fan base and make the better players want to come here?

Pathetic. This is a joke, right? They are serious about CS? I laughed but stopped as I recognized the joke is on us.
 
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I don't think Gruden could say no to this challenge.

He's won a Super Bowl before.

What he hasn't done is taken full control of a program, built it with his assistants, filled it with his players who he convinced to play for him and run his scheme, and beat the best college coaches.

If you don't think Jon Gruden has not thought to him "I wonder if I could win a National Championship in college," I don't think you realize the competitive nature of Jon Gruden.

The thought of him being one of the only coaches to win a BCS Championship and a Super Bowl has to be one appealing to him.

And if you think that Tennessee didn't do anything at all when he was "interested," or if you think they didnt offer him everything they possibly could, you are crazy.

And if they in fact didn't, then a head or heads need to roll.

You make this happen. If you tried all you can, and he said no, THEN you look elsewhere. But I don't believe that happened.
 
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Why take this job when at least 3 NFL Teams will be calling? Hell Jerry Jones will probably pay him 10 mill to coach the Cowboys.
 
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vols-1 said:
Arkansas and Auburn offered him anything and he said no
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Because he had SO MANY REASONS to pick those schools. He started coaching here. He met his wife here. His mentor still lives here. He knows and loves the tradition here. And I know we've said that ad nauseum. BUT, it's still a point.

It had been quoted several times that he was interested. He has never disowned UT, or expressed a disdain for the program.

And he came out and said NO to Arkansas. You have no direct quote from him saying that about UT. Only a brief dismissal that might not have been about the object in question, but a separate issue.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Btw, don't say "They did tell us what happened with Gruden."

One reporter said "Didn't want to deal with college"
"Hangup on assistant pay"
"didn't offer"
"Never talked to him"
"Not enough control"

NONE of those give an actual explanation of anything. At all.

I want a REAL explanation that is consistent with the facts.
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What facts??? The "facts" from the OGs that were in all actuality just RUMORS which is self explained when they would say "from my source".

Sadly there have been NO facts at all, just rumors and hearsay so demanding an explanation that lines up with your so called "facts" isn't gonna happen. Your own post says that. you want Hart or someone in the AD to come out and say "I didn't want Gruden" or "we had him but decided to look else where" and if you hear anything but that you'll just blow it off as more BS.

Why can't people accept that Gruden may have had some mild interest but upon learning about all it would take to coach in college and the major differences between it and coaching in the pro was too much and he didn't want to deal with it? Or more likely he just was never truly interested in coming here???
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Because he had SO MANY REASONS to pick those schools. He started coaching here. He met his wife here. His mentor still lives here. He knows and loves the tradition here. And I know we've said that ad nauseum. BUT, it's still a point.

It had been quoted several times that he was interested. He has never disowned UT, or expressed a disdain for the program.

And he came out and said NO to Arkansas. You have no direct quote from him saying that about UT. Only a brief dismissal that might not have been about the object in question, but a separate issue.
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Not coming
 
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well Hart likes to keep things really quite,Gruden likes to be in all the coaching search talks,i still think if he coaches,it will be in the NFL,I'm sure he has been contacted and probably is just letting things go along,so his name is out there,but there is all ways the you never know factor in it too,so I'm guess nobody knows what Hart is up to ,hope that clarified things :)
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
I don't think Gruden could say no to this challenge.

He's won a Super Bowl before.

What he hasn't done is taken full control of a program, built it with his assistants, filled it with his players who he convinced to play for him and run his scheme, and beat the best college coaches.

If you don't think Jon Gruden has not thought to him "I wonder if I could win a National Championship in college," I don't think you realize the competitive nature of Jon Gruden.

The thought of him being one of the only coaches to win a BCS Championship and a Super Bowl has to be one appealing to him.

And if you think that Tennessee didn't do anything at all when he was "interested," or if you think they didnt offer him everything they possibly could, you are crazy.

And if they in fact didn't, then a head or heads need to roll.

You make this happen. If you tried all you can, and he said no, THEN you look elsewhere. But I don't believe that happened.
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he does not want the job. it's not that hard
 
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