Do you see what Dave Hart has done?

#26
#26
JFBanicki said:
What facts??? The "facts" from the OGs that were in all actuality just RUMORS which is self explained when they would say "from my source".

Sadly there have been NO facts at all, just rumors and hearsay so demanding an explanation that lines up with your so called "facts" isn't gonna happen. Your own post says that. you want Hart or someone in the AD to come out and say "I didn't want Gruden" or "we had him but decided to look else where" and if you hear anything but that you'll just blow it off as more BS.

Why can't people accept that Gruden may have had some mild interest but upon learning about all it would take to coach in college and the major differences between it and coaching in the pro was too much and he didn't want to deal with it? Or more likely he just was never truly interested in coming here???
Click to expand...

You my friend rock.

Five ***** for you
 
#27
#27
brad37128 said:
Why take this job when at least 3 NFL Teams will be calling? Hell Jerry Jones will probably pay him 10 mill to coach the Cowboys.
Click to expand...

Because he hasn't had NFL teams calling the past 4 years?

Jon Gruden could have interviewed for ANY NFL job that came open in the past few years.

He could have coached Peyton at Indy. He could have coached the Titans.

He might not have gotten chosen for it. But you have to think a guy who had won a Super Bowl at such a young age, would be on an NFL team's short list.

He didn't take those.

But now, all of a sudden we think he would DEFINITELY be interested in NFL openings?

THIS job has not been open in 3 years. Last time it was open, he was only 1 year out of being fired. Maybe not a time when he would have been interested in any job. If you've ever been fired, you understand those feelings.

IF Jon Gruden wanted an NFL job, he would have taken an NFL job.

He didn't.

He may this year.

But I know he's talked to us. And that means he at least thinks he might want to coach college.
 
#28
#28
I see exactly what he has done. He went out and got a great college coach to build a solid program...outside of some of the idiots on here (op specifically included) not many think gruden would have been a positive hire long term.

The best thing Hart will have done for this program long term during his tenure will be to have NOT caved in to the uneducated demands of vol nation
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#29
#29
99gator said:
he does not want the job. it's not that hard
Click to expand...

Then why did SEVERAL sources say that he was interested, and would listen?

And all I'm saying is I want to hear that from someone credible a reason.

If he didn't want it because he'd rather coach NFL, then okay. But I want to hear it consistently.


If he didn't want it because of money, okay. But I want to hear it consistently.

I want the real story, and I don't believe that it was "he just wasn't interested in the job."

If he wasn't interested in the job, then why did the rumors last two weeks, and why did just about every news outlet in the country write about the possibility, and include him on every candidate list, though realistic or not?
 
#30
#30
If our administration wanted to win, they could've. If they wanted to hire Gruden, they could've.. Bammer gonna bamm
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#31
#31
TNHopeful505 said:
Then why did SEVERAL sources say that he was interested, and would listen?

And all I'm saying is I want to hear that from someone credible a reason.

If he didn't want it because he'd rather coach NFL, then okay. But I want to hear it consistently.


If he didn't want it because of money, okay. But I want to hear it consistently.

I want the real story, and I don't believe that it was "he just wasn't interested in the job."

If he wasn't interested in the job, then why did the rumors last two weeks, and why did just about every news outlet in the country write about the possibility, and include him on every candidate list, though realistic or not?
Click to expand...

Sources? Anonymous posters on volnation? Gruden likes the publicity. That's as far as it goes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#32
#32
Why do some people feel they're entitled to know things they were told they wouldn't be told anything about at the very beginning? The university or AD doesn't owe anybody an explanation for whatever they do. I'm sure they will do the best they can in hiring a coach because it will ultimately reflect upon them.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#33
#33
You make this happen. If you tried all you can, and he said no, THEN you look elsewhere. But I don't believe that happened

Wow, you seem to have worked yourself into such a Gruden frenzy, that you have become your own 'source'. You KNOW what Gruden thinks and you KNOW what Hart has done or not done. And you KNOW Gruden wanted to come here with his deep ties to the area.
 
#34
#34
TNHopeful505 said:
Then why did SEVERAL sources say that he was interested, and would listen?

And all I'm saying is I want to hear that from someone credible a reason.

If he didn't want it because he'd rather coach NFL, then okay. But I want to hear it consistently.


If he didn't want it because of money, okay. But I want to hear it consistently.

I want the real story, and I don't believe that it was "he just wasn't interested in the job."

If he wasn't interested in the job, then why did the rumors last two weeks, and why did just about every news outlet in the country write about the possibility, and include him on every candidate list, though realistic or not?
Click to expand...

you want to believe what you want to believe and nothing will change your mind.

if gruden wanted the job, he'd be the coach. it's that simple

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2012/nov/30/report-gruden-has-tennessee-contract-hand-staff-pa/

you aren't satisfied with any information that's available because it's not what you want to hear
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#35
#35
TNHopeful505 said:
Now, I would like to say this:

I know that LaMonte made a "statement" that you may or may not believe.

I know that many have said that Gruden was not coming.

But, by a named UT spokesperson (either Hart, or Stanton) not making a public statement outright squashing the rumor when they had the opportunity.

And by Gruden not outrightly squashing the rumor, like he did with Arkansas....

They have divided this fanbase.

Why? If you come out and squash the rumors, then we move on, and everyone is probably thinking that Strong is the best hire available.

But you haven't squashed the rumors. You have not given us anything official what has gone on, and you've allowed these damaging rumors to go on, which is going to cause people to not get behind your candidate.

If Strong IS hired, then we want to know what happened with Gruden. Did Gruden just say no, and if so, did Hart do everything he could? If so, then I will gladly get behind Strong and urge him on. But if Gruden wanted the job, and Hart didn't make it happen, then I'm ticked at Hart for not giving the fans what they wanted, when it was in his power.

I'm just saying, THEY let these rumors run wild. THEY didn't comment. THEY didn't squash these rumors.

So they better do 1 of 2 things:

1) Hire Gruden, and make all of this make sense.

2) Hire someone else, but be truthful about the other candidates and tell us what really happened.

To me, that is the ONLY way you will have a shot at getting the whole fan base to rally around Strong or whoever.

I just want the truth. And I will not accept that Gruden was not talked to or offered. I know he was. And I know there was mutual interest. And I want to know why it didn't happen.

I'm hoping this Strong talk is garbage like everything else. And I'm still believing it's Gruden until I see someone different. It's the only thing that makes sense.

We have spent two weeks of the biggest media confusion and misdirection and guessing, and all of it for CHARLIE STRONG?

Yeah right. Anybody else still not buying this?

(Merge to Gruden thread if you want. Don't care)
Click to expand...

You can't handle the truth!
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#36
#36
Dumbvolfan said:
I see exactly what he has done. He went out and got a great college coach to build a solid program...outside of some of the idiots on here (op specifically included) not many think gruden would have been a positive hire long term.

The best thing Hart will have done for this program long term during his tenure will be to have NOT caved in to the uneducated demands of vol nation
Click to expand...


No, he did not get a great college coach. IF Strong is hired, he got a marginal coach who has had ONE good year of head coaching success with two inexplicable losses in it, in a weak Big East. He has shown nothing that shows that he can recruit elite talent, or produce consistent success, or win the games he was supposed to.

His best wins this year was over North Carolina, and Cincinnati team, but lost to a 7-5 Syracuse team badly, and a 5-7 Connecticut team.

I'm not saying he wouldn't do well here. But I AM saying we are NOT swinging for the fences, and we are NOT trying to strike fear in the hearts of anyone by hiring this guy. We are NOT making any hire by hiring Strong that Mike Hamilton wouldn't have made. This is not a statement hire. He may do well, and he may even do great things here. But to think he is a GREAT hire, I can't agree with that.

And you may call me an idiot, but I'm just not going to accept this level of mediocrity for our program.
 
#37
#37
The conference superiority/inferiority bit. Never gets old riding a handful of other teams accomplishments.
 
#39
#39
kingmufasa76 said:
i as well as fan base just want a freaking winner and a winning season i forgot what winning season was like
Click to expand...

Agreed. But I don't think Charlie Strong is that hire that is going to do that.

He may have some success, but to me, there is not enough substance to make a quality judgment on his head coaching ability.

3 years, and in his third year, he goes 10-2, but does not beat a 7-5 Syracuse team and a 5-7 Connecticut team.

I just don't think the sample size is enough to call him a "great" head coach.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#40
#40
TNHopeful505 said:
Agreed. But I don't think Charlie Strong is that hire that is going to do that.

He may have some success, but to me, there is not enough substance to make a quality judgment on his head coaching ability.

3 years, and in his third year, he goes 10-2, but does not beat a 7-5 Syracuse team and a 5-7 Connecticut team.

I just don't think the sample size is enough to call him a "great" head coach.
Click to expand...

All about the quality losses. Lol
 
#41
#41
govols/cc said:
Why do some people feel they're entitled to know things they were told they wouldn't be told anything about at the very beginning? The university or AD doesn't owe anybody an explanation for whatever they do. I'm sure they will do the best they can in hiring a coach because it will ultimately reflect upon them.
Click to expand...

I agree. A coaching search shouldn't be conducted in the public. There are good reasons to keep discussions confidential. It's for the good of the University and the candidates. It can affect bargaining power, a candidate and his relationship with his current employer, the reasons could go on and on. Dave Hart will be measured by the decisions he makes. I'm pretty sure he knows that and will do what he thinks is best for the school. Even if you're a conspiracy theorist and think he's a Bammer plant why would he sabotage his own career?
 
#42
#42
TNHopeful505 said:
Agreed. But I don't think Charlie Strong is that hire that is going to do that.

He may have some success, but to me, there is not enough substance to make a quality judgment on his head coaching ability.

3 years, and in his third year, he goes 10-2, but does not beat a 7-5 Syracuse team and a 5-7 Connecticut team.

I just don't think the sample size is enough to call him a "great" head coach.
Click to expand...

didnt say strong was the "guy" i just want to win when fulmer left sec football left the vols behind too my buddy says we are the new vandy of sec that does not bode well with me :popcorn:
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#43
#43
You did not really think that bama dave would attempt to get anyone who would challenge saban did you? Why do you think he is looking at strong? bammers are cheering tonight, if true.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 3 people
#46
#46
Christ Almighty OP!!! Temper tantrum much?!?!

You sound like some post-grad journalism student, "The public has a right to know!"

We, you, the fanbase, doesn't have a right to squat during these searches. Just because a large portion (you included) of our fanbase are overzealous, melodramatic, arm chair quarterbacks, doesn't mean they know s**t from shinola about coaching, much less hiring a coach.

The entire Gruden frenzy was created by the fans and it was pushed by the media. Grudens agent was sitting in his office laughing his azz off the entire time knowing he couldn't buy that type of press if he tried. What you've got about Gruden is what you've got. He played us this year to remain a hot topic like he's played other teams in years past. All the people with "inside sources" still make me laugh.

Hart will answer questions at the presser when the new coach is hired. When that person is announced, if the only question you have is "Why didn't we get Gruden?" then the new guy is justified is kicking your azz and beating you to a pulp. It will probably only take a few seconds. Presser should be able to continue unabated after that.

:banghead2:
 
  • Like
Reactions: 2 people
#47
#47
kingmufasa76 said:
then ole :machgun:dave needs da boot
Click to expand...

As I said in another thread....

The only people we went after, that we know of...

Strong, Fisher, Mora, Gundy and Fedora.

Two of those have only been where they are one year,

and the other three have received contract extensions in the past year.

It's almost like we went for the candidates that it would put them in a really tough spot to take our job. Either A) they just got there, or B) They just took an extension and stated how honored and proud they are to be with.

Plus, we took guys who are loyal to their schools. Strong has stated "The University of Louisville is the place I want to be, and most importantly, is where my family wants to be," (Said October 2011) Senior defensive end Greg Scruggs said the new contract shows Strong is here to stay if another school comes calling for his coach.

"This is what Coach Strong wants to build up," Scruggs said. "It's not like this is a stop-and-go for anything. Coach Strong wants to make this his empire. Coach Strong wants his mark to be on this university." (Same article)

Gundy - “I am humbled and appreciative for the new extension. Oklahoma State means a lot to me and my family. My duty is to continue building on the success we have enjoyed the past few years and make sure our program compliments the academic mission of OSU. (January 2012)

Fisher - "Florida State is the type of job you want to stay at forever."


I'm just saying, it's like we picked the candidates that were the LEAST likely to leave their programs.

Like we were trying to get them to not come.
 
#48
#48
TNHopeful505 said:
And all I'm saying is I want to hear that from someone credible a reason.

I
Click to expand...

Then why aren't you demanding confirmation of these "facts" about Gruden from someone credible? Because at no point in the last two weeks has a reporter or anyone related to the UT Athletic Department or Jon Gruden said anything definitive regarding our meetings with him.

If Strong is coming, we're getting a good coach. Certainly better than Dooley. I'll be happy with it and you should be as well.
 
#49
#49
TNHopeful505 said:
Agreed. But I don't think Charlie Strong is that hire that is going to do that.

He may have some success, but to me, there is not enough substance to make a quality judgment on his head coaching ability.

3 years, and in his third year, he goes 10-2, but does not beat a 7-5 Syracuse team and a 5-7 Connecticut team.

I just don't think the sample size is enough to call him a "great" head coach.
Click to expand...

It is three seasons longer than JG has a college head coach.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top