Do you trust the federal government?

Do you trust the federal government?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 4.3%

  • No

    Votes: 112 95.7%
  • Total voters
    117
#377
#377
VOLS INC. said:
We are just coasting along toward the elusive leftist utopia. It’ll be so nice not to be a slave to conservative social constructs like private property, gender, and equal opportunity!
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When the left get what they want, then even they don't want it anymore. It's a game of power shifting. There really no fundamental principles. Just create a disruptive society.
 
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#378
luthervol said:
I never went down that rabbit hole. I know that no one believes that.....even amongst this bunch of nut jobs.

My whole point is and always has been - b!tch and moan all you want, but never forget that it's a necessary evil which primarily fills gaps left unfilled by society.
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If you think like a menace.
 
#380
#380
hog88 said:
I get your point and don't disagree, my fear is that with more members there will just be more manufactured problems that need federal involvement. If we could have some reduction in the bureaucracy to go along with the increased number of house members I'd be willing to compromise.
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The conservatives are concerned about "bureaucracy"--but I can't imagine why. Nothing more than their usual imaginative claptrap, I think--much as they like to complain that the government is out to limit their "freedom," which is obvious nonsense.
 
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#382
BreatheUT said:
Who are the 3 saps to this point that trust government?
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But you would trust "the government" if a Republican was in the White House, right? Just as we thought. Maga need to make more trips to the toilet to purge themselves of their raging hypocrisy. MAGA is the old toothless man sitting on the front porch of his tumbledown house in poverty-stricken Appalachia, with a rifle in his lap, keeping watch for the "revenuer." They don't trust the government but they do trust who...the gangster? Ha,ha, ha, ha, ha,ha, ha. It doesn't get any funnier.
 
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turbovol said:
But you would trust "the government" if a Republican was in the White House, right? Just as we thought. Maga need to make more trips to the toilet to purge themselves of their raging hypocrisy. MAGA is the old toothless man sitting on the front porch of his tumbledown house in poverty-stricken Appalachia, with a rifle in his lap, keeping watch for the "revenuer." They don't trust the government but they do trust who...the gangster? Ha,ha, ha, ha, ha,ha, ha. It doesn't get any funnier.
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I bet his answer is No he does not trust government regardless of who POTUS is
 
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#386
turbovol said:
The conservatives are concerned about "bureaucracy"--but I can't imagine why. Nothing more than their usual imaginative claptrap, I think--much as they like to complain that the government is out to limit their "freedom," which is obvious nonsense.
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Another insightful and intelligent post by Turbo.
 
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#387
luthervol said:
I never once assumed anyone on this board was dumb enough to want no government.

I just want people to admit it's necessary as they are complaining.
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Seems to be poorly executed if that was your intention on the front side or revisionist on the backside. At least, it seems that way to me.

Using your own words of 'necessary evil' is the way most of us feel about it. And if something is both necessary and evil, we should do our utmost to keep is small, minimally impacting, and constrained.
 
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#388
turbovol said:
But you would trust "the government" if a Republican was in the White House, right? .
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Absolutely not.

Which I think would be an interesting poll question...how much does your trust in government vacillate when different parties are in control?

The answer for those who vacillate is to have the smallest, least intrusive government so that it wouldn't be able to "harm" when the "wrong" people are in power.
 
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BreatheUT said:
When the left get what they want, then even they don't want it anymore. It's a game of power shifting. There really no fundamental principles. Just create a disruptive society.
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All of my Democrat friends in college had a healthy mistrust of government and to a lesser extent corporations.

Times have certainly changed.
 
#390
#390
McDad said:
Absolutely not.

Which I think would be an interesting poll question...how much does your trust in government vacillate when different parties are in control?

The answer for those who vacillate is to have the smallest, least intrusive government so that it wouldn't be able to "harm" when the "wrong" people are in power.
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the issue is people won't be honest with that poll.
When their side isn't in power they will say it doesn't change they always distrust. When their side is in power they will say they trust them but throw in a bunch of qualifiers about the other side. basically what Luther has done in this thread.
 
#391
#391
volfanhill said:
I have no idea. Only a moron equates the POTUS as the Federal Government. Simply part of it. Which you are not making that distinction but Turbo did
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Only a moron would think I was equating the two. I was simply getting your read on how you think he would answer, seeing as how you felt you knew his other answer.

We're gauging how astute people are when assigning trust.
 
#392
#392
hog88 said:
Another insightful and intelligent post by Turbo.
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I usually just move on to other threads for the day once Turbo delivers a post. This avalanche of self-awareness just comes over me. I realize in that moment that there is simply nothing else I could offer the other posters of VN. All wisdom, all knowledge, all cleverness and insight, has been provided by Turbo in a beautifully written passage of euphoric truth.
 
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McDad said:
Seems to be poorly executed if that was your intention on the front side or revisionist on the backside. At least, it seems that way to me.

Using your own words of 'necessary evil' is the way most of us feel about it. And if something is both necessary and evil, we should do our utmost to keep is small, minimally impacting, and constrained.
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Revisionist? Good grief man, you're brighter than that..
Not true. If it is necessary, which we all seem to be in agreement on, then there would have to be a point at which it is at it's optimum size (a size in which we would never all be in agreement on). What cannot be true is that the optimum size is the one that is the absolute smallest................eventhough many on here will claim that to be the optimum: unless and until they actually stop and think.
 
#394
#394
turbovol said:
But you would trust "the government" if a Republican was in the White House, right? Just as we thought. Maga need to make more trips to the toilet to purge themselves of their raging hypocrisy. MAGA is the old toothless man sitting on the front porch of his tumbledown house in poverty-stricken Appalachia, with a rifle in his lap, keeping watch for the "revenuer." They don't trust the government but they do trust who...the gangster? Ha,ha, ha, ha, ha,ha, ha. It doesn't get any funnier.
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Who sits on their front porch without a rifle? Is that a thing?
 
#396
#396
luthervol said:
Revisionist? Good grief man, you're brighter than that..
Not true. If it is necessary, which we all seem to be in agreement on, then there would have to be a point at which it is at it's optimum size (a size in which we would never all be in agreement on). What cannot be true is that the optimum size is the one that is the absolute smallest................eventhough many on here will claim that to be the optimum: unless and until they actually stop and think.
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the absolute smallest it can be and function as defined by its Constitution.

again you jump straight to an argument no one is making. I have yet to see anyone propose your Ron Swason-esque government.
 
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#397
LouderVol said:
the absolute smallest it can be and function as defined by its Constitution.

again you jump straight to an argument no one is making. I have yet to see anyone propose your Ron Swason-esque government.
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I think we all pretty much agree that we want it no larger than its optimum size to function as defined by the Constitution.
The whole "function as defined by the Consititution" may generate some disagreement.
 
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#399
LouderVol said:
the issue is people won't be honest with that poll.
When their side isn't in power they will say it doesn't change they always distrust. When their side is in power they will say they trust them but throw in a bunch of qualifiers about the other side. basically what Luther has done in this thread.
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Sure, that's a possibility. But we garner understanding from the conversation the poll facilitates when those participating are genuinely seeking to understand each other better.
 
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