Do you trust the federal government?

Do you trust the federal government?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 4.3%

  • No

    Votes: 112 95.7%
  • Total voters
    117
#401
#401
luthervol said:
Revisionist? Good grief man, you're brighter than that..
Not true. If it is necessary, which we all seem to be in agreement on, then there would have to be a point at which it is at it's optimum size (a size in which we would never all be in agreement on). What cannot be true is that the optimum size is the one that is the absolute smallest................eventhough many on here will claim that to be the optimum: unless and until they actually stop and think.
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You're really working at being challenging, here.

Is there an optimum size for a necessary evil, yes. That isn't even a provocative opinion. Would we debate the minutia of optimum size ad nauseam, yes. That's what we do here. Where I think you've jumped the shark with attempts to agitate is, optimum and smallest are not mutually exclusive. It isn't whether or not small is optimum. It is wanting the smallest possible optimum. You see what I am getting at, here?

If it is a 'necessary evil', why even contemplate a size that goes beyond the minimum optimum size? It is a non-issue.

The optimum size would ideally be as outlined in the constitution (including the amendments)...and including future modifications via amendments.
 
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LouderVol said:
the absolute smallest it can be and function as defined by its Constitution.

again you jump straight to an argument no one is making. I have yet to see anyone propose your Ron Swason-esque government.
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precisely!
 
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luthervol said:
I think we all pretty much agree that we want it no larger than its optimum size to function as defined by the Constitution.
The whole "function as defined by the Consititution" may generate some disagreement.
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Agreed on both accounts.
 
#404
#404
hog88 said:
It shouldn't, the language is pretty clear.
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I went down a rabbit hole several years ago. Stumbled upon a site or information about things our government does, and we are all comfortable with, which is not defined in our constitution or not as the document outlined.

It was interesting but I cannot remember a single point right now.
 
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#405
McDad said:
I went down a rabbit hole several years ago. Stumbled upon a site or information about things our government does, and we are all comfortable with, which is not defined in our constitution or not as the document outlined.

It was interesting but I cannot remember a single point right now.
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That would be interesting if you could find it again.
 
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hog88 said:
The 2A is crystal clear in it's language and meaning.
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Funny. Is that why 2 conservative SCJ just broke ranks with their fellow conservatives?
It's so crystal clear that justices of the same like mind don't even interpret it the same?

You can do better than that.
But I fully I understand why you have to claim what you do even when you know it's false.
It's the foundation of your whole belief system......and the foundation is beyond weak.
 
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luthervol said:
Funny. Is that why 2 conservative SCJ just broke ranks with their fellow conservatives?
It's so crystal clear that justices of the same like mind don't even interpret it the same?

You can do better than that.
But I fully I understand why you have to claim what you do even when you know it's false.
It's the foundation of your whole belief system......and the foundation is beyond weak.
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Yes Luther there are a lot of people like you that have trouble reading the English language. Even supreme court justices.

BTW, this latest ruling was on procedure and not the actual merits of the case so ANOTHER poor example by Luther.
 
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McDad said:
I went down a rabbit hole several years ago. Stumbled upon a site or information about things our government does, and we are all comfortable with, which is not defined in our constitution or not as the document outlined.

It was interesting but I cannot remember a single point right now.
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called getting old
 
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jvol1 said:
Someone has to say yes here. On the whole our government is filled with honest folks trying to do their job. It gets messy because in democracy no one ever really gets what they want, so you're always going to be at least a little dissatisfied with the result. If you think we've got it bad, there are plenty of other countries you can point to that are truly corrupt and have it much worse.
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I don’t think the goal of our founding fathers and those who sacrificed their lives since then was for people to be able to say” most of them try and it’s better than Venezuela “.
 
#419
#419
McDad said:
I remember posting in reply to you this am. Think I was enjoying my coffee, too.
Are you wanting a reply to my post from this AM?

What's your angle; to be obtuse? (There's your pun).
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Gawd I love you.
You’re truly the greatest punster
 
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sonofUT62 said:
I don’t think the goal of our founding fathers and those who sacrificed their lives since then was for people to be able to say” most of them try and it’s better than Venezuela “.
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It's better than pretty much anywhere else in the world other than western europe a probably a little better than there. You really think the largest economy in the world is equivalent to venezuela?
 
#421
#421
Gandalf said:
It the Biblical book of Numbers, the prophet Balaam is taking a road that will lead to his destruction. His ass (donkey) actually sees the angel of God and will not move forward. Balaam continues to berate the donkey for not progressing forward until the angel opens the donkeys mouth to warn Balaam, whereupon he repents and turns back.

If God can use an ass to speak to those who go astray and keep them from destroying themselves, then Trump is perfectly positioned to play the part God has for him in repentance and helping to turn our nation back from the path of destruction.
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Trump is the one leading our country down the path of destruction. Of course all paths seem to be leading to destruction, not just for our country, but for the world at this time. Another trump or biden presidency leads the nation down the path of civil war, maybe the republic can be preserved if moderate republican steps forward. I'm not sure what I think the odds of that are, but even if so, outcomes are looking a little bleak for everyone at this point barring divine intervention.
 
#422
#422
jvol1 said:
Trump is the one leading our country down the path of destruction. Of course all paths seem to be leading to destruction, not just for our country, but for the world at this time. Another trump or biden presidency leads the nation down the path of civil war, maybe the republic can be preserved if moderate republican steps forward. I'm not sure what I think the odds of that are, but even if so, outcomes are looking a little bleak for everyone at this point barring divine intervention.
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How about electing people that understand it is the federal governments fault there is so much discord in this country. Elect people at all levels from local, state and federal who will work to dismantle the behemoth our fed government has become and return it to its constitutional limits.
 
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jvol1 said:
Trump is the one leading our country down the path of destruction. Of course all paths seem to be leading to destruction, not just for our country, but for the world at this time. Another trump or biden presidency leads the nation down the path of civil war, maybe the republic can be preserved if moderate republican steps forward. I'm not sure what I think the odds of that are, but even if so, outcomes are looking a little bleak for everyone at this point barring divine intervention.
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Moderate Republicans are what got us Trump. People were tired of Romney and look what we got.
 
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#425
hog88 said:
The 2A is crystal clear in it's language and meaning.
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Really, go and read how the 2nd Amendment was interpreted by the Supreme Court in the past.

Also, the amendment /explicitly/ links gun ownership with a "well-regulated militia"--those being the first words in the amendment. Militias were
all that America had for defense when the constitution was written. We don't have or need militias anymore--though, yea, a few wingnuts would disagree.
 
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