Do you trust the federal government?

[turbovol]

what are you talking about, regardless of his character flaws we had one of the best 4 years of economic growth in decades.
We just hit $1 trillion in credit card debt for American consumers. Things are not good right now despite Biden patting himself on the back.

US credit card debt tops $1 trillion, overall consumer debt little changed

So say the MAGA people who were certain a few weeks ago that we were on the cusp of recession....

The gangster is deeply corrupt, abused his power, wants to be pals with war criminals who are America's chief enemies, tried to subvert
an American election and incited an attack on the U.S. Capitol and Congress--one of the most disturbing acts in American history---that got people killed---and MAGA want to wave all this off as a mere "character flaw."

 

[turbovol]

Moderate Republicans are what got us Trump. People were tired of Romney and look what we got.

No, bigoted, low IQ rubes who are easily played by demagogic, populist rhetoric spawned the gangster.

 

[McDad]

Really, go and read how the 2nd Amendment was interpreted by the Supreme Court in the past.

Also, the amendment /explicitly/ links gun ownership with a "well-regulated militia"--those being the first words in the amendment. Militias were
all that America had for defense when the constitution was written. We don't have or need militias anymore--though, yea, a few wingnuts would disagree.

Partially correct. 2A was an existing concept in English Common Law for over 100 years before the constitution was drafted. ECL was the template for many of the freedoms guaranteed in our constitution. To discuss the 2A tied only to a militia is disingenuous. The right to bear arms is not conditional on membership in a militia. Rather, a strong, effective militia is conditional on the individual members being armed.

 

[theFallGuy]

So say the MAGA people who were certain a few weeks ago that we were on the cusp of recession....

The gangster is deeply corrupt, abused his power, wants to be pals with war criminals who are America's chief enemies, tried to subvert
an American election and incited an attack on the U.S. Capitol and Congress--one of the most disturbing acts in American history---that got people killed---and MAGA want to wave all this off as a mere "character flaw."

pretty sure I've seen your posts on Clownworld.
MAGA this, MAGA that, everyone is MAGA!! Bidenomics rule!

 

[hog88]

Really, go and read how the 2nd Amendment was interpreted by the Supreme Court in the past.

Also, the amendment /explicitly/ links gun ownership with a "well-regulated militia"--those being the first words in the amendment. Militias were
all that America had for defense when the constitution was written. We don't have or need militias anymore--though, yea, a few wingnuts would disagree.

Start a movement to amend the 2A or STFU.

 

[McDad]

Start a movement to amend the 2A or STFU.

This is really the only bottom line relevant in any 2A discussion.

Whether I want to follow any modification is my choice (knowing there may be consequences).

 

[Orangeslice13]

This is really the only bottom line relevant in any 2A discussion.

Whether I want to follow any modification is my choice (knowing there may be consequences).

The way around the magazine size restrictions.
No magazine, no problem.

 

[sonofUT62]

No, bigoted, low IQ rubes who are easily played by demagogic, populist rhetoric spawned the gangster.

It’s so wonderful to see that your people have followed up their promise to unite the country. I guess the poor leadership starts at the top……with the other gangster.

 

[sonofUT62]

The way around the magazine size restrictions.
No magazine, no problem. View attachment 568771

That is……just simply gorgeous

 

[VOLS INC.]

The way around the magazine size restrictions.
No magazine, no problem. View attachment 568771

Nice!

Luth is probably alerting the authorities right now

“Yes, officer. Orangeslice 13. No no, that’s his name. Yes. 13. One, three. Please hurry. This gun is big and it’s scary!!!”

 

[LouderVol]

Really, go and read how the 2nd Amendment was interpreted by the Supreme Court in the past.

Also, the amendment /explicitly/ links gun ownership with a "well-regulated militia"--those being the first words in the amendment. Militias were
all that America had for defense when the constitution was written. We don't have or need militias anymore--though, yea, a few wingnuts would disagree.

no, there were several levels of defense. There was a professional army. There was a National Guard. There were organized state militias. and then there were the minute-men type militias. 9 states at the time had compulsory military service.

several sections of the constitution make specific references to armed forces, not militias.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 12 covers Congress's ability to fund Armies. not militias.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 13 similarly covers Congress's ability to fund Navies, and that doesn't include Privateers, covered separately under Letters Of Marque.
14 covers the making rules for the same mentioned above, as well as the federalizing of militias and any privateers.

The Third Amendment even says that homeowners can't be required to house Soldiers, again different term than they use for Militia.

and even if you wanted to argue the language of the 2nd amendment the militias are noted for the security of a free State, not country. which is consistent with the rest of the Constitution. Congress can have armies and navies, states can have militias, and individuals can have "arms", all for the purpose of security.

 

[Tman44]

no, there were several levels of defense. There was a professional army. There was a National Guard. There were organized state militias. and then there were the minute-men type militias. 9 states at the time had compulsory military service.

several sections of the constitution make specific references to armed forces, not militias.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 12 covers Congress's ability to fund Armies. not militias.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 13 similarly covers Congress's ability to fund Navies, and that doesn't include Privateers, covered separately under Letters Of Marque.
14 covers the making rules for the same mentioned above, as well as the federalizing of militias and any privateers.

The Third Amendment even says that homeowners can't be required to house Soldiers, again different term than they use for Militia.

and even if you wanted to argue the language of the 2nd amendment the militias are noted for the security of a free State, not country. which is consistent with the rest of the Constitution. Congress can have armies and navies, states can have militias, and individuals can have "arms", all for the purpose of security.

I'm not sure these democrats are going to understand your post. You used a fair amount of factual information. Democrats don't play well with facts.

 

[jvol1]

what are you talking about, regardless of his character flaws we had one of the best 4 years of economic growth in decades.
We just hit $1 trillion in credit card debt for American consumers. Things are not good right now despite Biden patting himself on the back.

US credit card debt tops $1 trillion, overall consumer debt little changed

Trump contributed greatly to the nation's current financial problems via the covid magic money Bill's which were a windfall for his corrupt cronies. Biden finally figured out that our ability to print money isn't infinite after about a year, but the money for nothing finance started under trump.

Also pointing to economic success kind of misses the larger point of trump setting aside the constitution and becoming our putin -- who also has been economically successful despite being a tyrant.

 

[jvol1]

How about electing people that understand it is the federal governments fault there is so much discord in this country. Elect people at all levels from local, state and federal who will work to dismantle the behemoth our fed government has become and return it to its constitutional limits.

What does this even mean? We live in a democracy, so just pass laws to reduce the size of or eliminate whatever offends you. This comes across as a euphemistic way of saying "I wish we were living in the 19th century again" and you need to remember the country was poor and life was hard then. Its modern government since the 1950s that's gotten us to where we are.

 

[jvol1]

Moderate Republicans are what got us Trump. People were tired of Romney and look what we got.

Trump wants to set aside the constitution. I'll take a hundred Romney's over that any day.

 

[hog88]

What does this even mean? We live in a democracy, so just pass laws to reduce the size of or eliminate whatever offends you. This comes across as a euphemistic way of saying "I wish we were living in the 19th century again" and you need to remember the country was poor and life was hard then. Its modern government since the 1950s that's gotten us to where we are.

That is one of the most accurate comments ever posted here except I would go further back than the 50s, 1860s is where the fed .gov exploded past its constitutional size. Our government is absolutely responsible for derision and hate we see in this country, it has become a hindrance to progress and liberty. I'm glad we agree on something.

Now could you just imagine how prosperous we would be if the federal government GTF out of our way?

 

[VOLS INC.]

That is one of the most accurate comments ever posted here except I would go further back than the 50s, 1860s is where the fed .gov exploded past its constitutional size. Our government is absolutely responsible for derision and hate we see in this country, it has become a hindrance to progress and liberty. I'm glad we agree on something.

Now could you just imagine how prosperous we would be if the federal government GTF out of our way?

The Federal Government is quite remarkable. Think about this. They hinder progress and avoid criticism from many in society for hindering said progress. Rather, they actually get all the credit for the progress being made.

Also. The Federal Government creates all these problems that didn’t previously exist. Then they convince society that the only way to remedy these problems (the ones the Fed created) is by relying on the Federal Government.

It’s pretty amazing.

 

[LouderVol]

Trump contributed greatly to the nation's current financial problems via the covid magic money Bill's which were a windfall for his corrupt cronies. Biden finally figured out that our ability to print money isn't infinite after about a year, but the money for nothing finance started under trump.

Also pointing to economic success kind of misses the larger point of trump setting aside the constitution and becoming our putin -- who also has been economically successful despite being a tyrant.

lol, no it did not. It has been going on since I have been paying attention, and likely longer than I have been alive.

 

[sonofUT62]

Trump wants to set aside the constitution. I'll take a hundred Romney's over that any day.

You do you. I didn’t vote for Trump Or Romney. I’m just explaining a fact.

 

[McDad]

lol, no it did not. It has been going on since I have been paying attention, and likely longer than I have been alive.

The problems-began-with-Trump crowd is myopic, young, propagandized, or a combo of all 3.

 

[theFallGuy]

Trump contributed greatly to the nation's current financial problems via the covid magic money Bill's which were a windfall for his corrupt cronies. Biden finally figured out that our ability to print money isn't infinite after about a year, but the money for nothing finance started under trump.

please give me whatever you are smoking on.

Biden after getting into office.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/11/biden-1point9-trillion-covid-relief-package-thursday-afternoon.html

Biden wanted even more money dolled out but was blocked by Repubs
https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...llion-in-new-covid-19-funding-amid-stalemate/

I agree we shouldn't have given out COVID money which was a result of the stupid decision to shutdown the economy during COVID.

 

[VOLS INC.]

The problems-began-with-Trump crowd is myopic, young, propagandized, or a combo of all 3.

We may actually disagree here brother.

I can vividly remember Summer of 2015. President Obama had unified the nation and we were all finally experiencing the utopia humankind had been chasing for thousands of years. Gas was 2 cents a gallon. Food was falling from the sky. I even remember seeing a lion and a zebra just watching a sunset together before they retired for the evening into their respective mansions.

Then, big ol mean Trump arrived and screwed it all up!

 

[McDad]

We may actually disagree here brother.

I can vividly remember Summer of 2015. President Obama had unified the nation and we were all finally experiencing the utopia humankind had been chasing for thousands of years. Gas was 2 cents a gallon. Food was falling from the sky. I even remember seeing a lion and a zebra just watching a sunset together before they retired for the evening into their respective mansions.

Then, big ol mean Trump arrived and screwed it all up!

If you wanted to keep your psychiatric doctor, you totally should have kept your psychiatric doctor.

 

[jvol1]

That is one of the most accurate comments ever posted here except I would go further back than the 50s, 1860s is where the fed .gov exploded past its constitutional size. Our government is absolutely responsible for derision and hate we see in this country, it has become a hindrance to progress and liberty. I'm glad we agree on something.

Now could you just imagine how prosperous we would be if the federal government GTF out of our way?

Sort of a "do what thou wilt" approach to government.

I think a lot of the prosperity we enjoy is a result of our current government, not despite it. All of the regulations which frustrate you came about from various crises since the 1860s. Like you I wish for simpler times, but I think the regs have done more boost prosperity than hinder it.

 

[hog88]

Sort of a "do what thou wilt" approach to government.

I think a lot of the prosperity we enjoy is a result of our current government, not despite it. All of the regulations which frustrate you came about from various crises since the 1860s. Like you I wish for simpler times, but I think the regs have done more boost prosperity than hinder it.

Most of the regulations that we have now did not come about due to crises, they came about due to the fact someone well connected profited from them.