Dobbs has gotten FREAKIN HUGE

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Doyle Hargraves said:
So, you are saying that it is a fact that Butch made a QB change because of being pressured by the fan base?
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Yes, he felt pressured by the media and fans to make a switch (not saying that is the only fact or reason, if that's what you are insinuating).
 
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no he didn't. Worley wasn't keeping the ball when he had the chance and Butch made a risky call thinking he could extend drives with Peterman running 7-8 times.
If you notice, when Worley started after that game, he used his feet on quite a few occasions to extend drives, including ga and SC.
It didn't work out. Nobody foresaw NP absolutely melting under the lights
 
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Ez_Vol said:
Yes, he felt pressured by the media and fans to make a switch (not saying that is the only fact or reason, if that's what you are insinuating).
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No. He felt pressure to make a switch because Worley was struggling to be efficient and effective running the offense, was struggling with his accuracy throwing the ball and he absolutely refused to run the ball. Given that Worley never put a great amount of distance between himself, Peterman and the freshmen, Butch rolled the dice and went with Peterman, who it was thought was more athletic, to give the team a shot in the arm. It obviously didn't work out. But there's no way Butch read the Knoxville News Sentinel or read VolNation and decided to make a change at QB. I refuse to believe that happened.
 
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just heard an espn analyst who played in the nfl say the Jets' qb Geno Smith's development was held back by the lack of wr's on the Jets roster.

That's a 23 yr old nfl qb, beating nfl teams, and his progress being held up due to lack of receivers, who are actually pro receivers.
Yet it still has to be explained here that an 18 yr old in a new system throwing to other 18 yr old wr's being covered by nfl db's was a major issue, among others, in the passing game.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Yes I remember. I also remember him continuing to improve as the year went on. That was at the first of the season with new receivers. He got better every game.
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Everybody we had on our roster improved as the year went on. Practice does that for them. The other three can get better faster.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
just heard an espn analyst who played in the nfl say the Jets' qb Geno Smith's development was held back by the lack of wr's on the Jets roster.

That's a 23 yr old nfl qb, beating nfl teams, and his progress being held up due to lack of receivers, who are actually pro receivers.
Yet it still has to be explained here that an 18 yr old in a new system throwing to other 18 yr old wr's being covered by nfl db's was a major issue, among others, in the passing game.
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Great point. The lack of competent play by our WRs last yr was a huge problem for our QBs, especially for our young freshman Dobbs. The Vandy game was the best example IMO. Without North, literally no one could get open hence the WR screens and ultimately the abandonment of the passing game altogether.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
just heard an espn analyst who played in the nfl say the Jets' qb Geno Smith's development was held back by the lack of wr's on the Jets roster.

That's a 23 yr old nfl qb, beating nfl teams, and his progress being held up due to lack of receivers, who are actually pro receivers.
Yet it still has to be explained here that an 18 yr old in a new system throwing to other 18 yr old wr's being covered by nfl db's was a major issue, among others, in the passing game.
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No matter how many points you can make, some people still won't see the big picture..
 
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KBVol said:
No. He felt pressure to make a switch because Worley was struggling to be efficient and effective running the offense, was struggling with his accuracy throwing the ball and he absolutely refused to run the ball. Given that Worley never put a great amount of distance between himself, Peterman and the freshmen, Butch rolled the dice and went with Peterman, who it was thought was more athletic, to give the team a shot in the arm. It obviously didn't work out. But there's no way Butch read the Knoxville News Sentinel or read VolNation and decided to make a change at QB. I refuse to believe that happened.
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This is the correct answer.
 
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Burger said:
Everybody we had on our roster improved as the year went on. Practice does that for them. The other three can get better faster.
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Antonio Richardson did not get better as the season went on.... quite the opposite.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
just heard an espn analyst who played in the nfl say the Jets' qb Geno Smith's development was held back by the lack of wr's on the Jets roster.

That's a 23 yr old nfl qb, beating nfl teams, and his progress being held up due to lack of receivers, who are actually pro receivers.
Yet it still has to be explained here that an 18 yr old in a new system throwing to other 18 yr old wr's being covered by nfl db's was a major issue, among others, in the passing game.
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Could you not make the same argument for Worley? How come Dobbs gets to us the "no receivers in a new system" argument but Worley cant. It was his first year in the system too. Why does Dobbs get a pass but Worley doesnt? Because he was a junior? Even though you just said a 23 year old NFL qb struggled because he has no receivers in the NFL is getting a pass.
 
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Burger said:
The other three can get better faster.
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How do you know this for sure? What else is in your crystal ball? Remember how bad Jon Crompton looked his Jr year? Remember his senior year when he looked like a completely different qb and got himself drafted? Why cant Worley make the same progression?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
We had three QBs, all of varying but little experience, all working under a new staff and system, all eventually playing through injury, and all who struggled mightily. We had a fourth that never saw the field due to injury. They were all highly rated recruits. I trust that they will all work hard to improve during the offseason-- physically, mentally and in knowledge of the system. I believe we will have several very good options at the position, and that the staff will recognize and start the best option. I will support whichever option that is, and remain excited about the possibilities. The bickering and attacks on our players is childish and really would be better if everyone just stopped.
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If you have 3 QBs, you dont have 1.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
How do you know this for sure? What else is in your crystal ball? Remember how bad Jon Crompton looked his Jr year? Remember his senior year when he looked like a completely different qb and got himself drafted? Why cant Worley make the same progression?
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Actually Kiffin got Crompton drafted.
 
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BurninOrange said:
He developed Crompton. Without Kiffin Crompton would not have even sniffed a roster
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Maybe, maybe not. Again that's an assumption that's impossible to verify.

My point was is it not at least possible, with the time he has in with the receivers and in the same system and taking into account that he WAS playing better as the year went on, that he could make a similar jump as Crompton?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Could you not make the same argument for Worley? How come Dobbs gets to us the "no receivers in a new system" argument but Worley cant. It was his first year in the system too. Why does Dobbs get a pass but Worley doesnt? Because he was a junior? Even though you just said a 23 year old NFL qb struggled because he has no receivers in the NFL is getting a pass.
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The wrs were young for everyone, yes. Whether you want to admit it or not, there is quite a difference between 21-22 yr old man that's been playing against SEC opponents in games and practice, to an 18 yr old just out of highschool. That's 3 years of reading college defenses vs none.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Eli Manning has two super bowl rings because of miracle catches. No one discredits him for it. It doesnt matter what you say, the fact is he was the starting qb when beat a top 5 team. He took care of the ball, made the throws he had to make when it mattered most and the game was on the line. Have you forgotten how awful our offense looked when he got hurt? 10 points and 50 passing yards against Vandy is a lot more Helen Keller imo.

Youre argument is based on what MIGHT have happened, mine is based on something that did happen.
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And Ricky Clausen had a miracle comeback against LSU. I don't see anyone saying he was legit.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
How do you know this for sure? What else is in your crystal ball? Remember how bad Jon Crompton looked his Jr year? Remember his senior year when he looked like a completely different qb and got himself drafted? Why cant Worley make the same progression?
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There's a big difference between the two...

Crompton was all physical talent and lacking in the mental aspect of the game. He had 5 star physical tools and NAIA mental tools.

Worley, on the other hand, seems like a bright kid, but he is nowhere near as physically gifted as Crompton.

Crompton played well in 2009 because Kiffin simplified the offense, whereas the year before the offense was anything but simple with the Clawfense.
 
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