Dobbs has gotten FREAKIN HUGE

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perico said:
There's a big difference between the two...

Crompton was all physical talent and lacking in the mental aspect of the game. He had 5 star physical tools and NAIA mental tools.

Worley, on the other hand, seems like a bright kid, but he is nowhere near as physically gifted as Crompton.

Crompton played well in 2009 because Kiffin simplified the offense, whereas the year before the offense was anything but simple with the Clawfense.
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He was rated higher than Stafford if I'm not mistaken.
 
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20 pounds of muscle in 4 months? Unrealistic. Unless he's getting some extra "supplementation."
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Every time I look up you're on Dobbs. Get off him man, he's going to develop.
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Actually the only time I've mentioned him is in this thread. I know hes going to develop and improve, but so is Justin Worley. I think he should start next year and if he doesnt get it done then he should be pulled. What gets on my nerves is people thinking Dobbs should start next year no questions asked when in reality he isn't that good and has shown me nothing to make me believe he can be the guy. He started the season 4th on the depth chart for a reason and didn't do a single thing special in his 5 games. He was below average.
 
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You guys are pretty biased against Dobbs. He was a true freshman against 3/5 great teams. So realistically he only had 2 games to show something and that's a small sample size so it can't really be used. Also like others said, he's hasn't had much practice reading college defences-something worley has.

Dobbs is at the time when he's likely to make the biggest jump in skill, worley isn't. Dobbs will have his first full off season of practice against college players next year.

The truth is though that neither of them looked good overall. No one really knows how they will progress in the offseason or who will start. On both sides people are cherry picking data and ignoring relevant factors to support their own preformed opinion(the opposite of rational thought, you try to form arguments from data, not logically abuse data to support your argument) Hence, both sides' arguments suck and are supported by flimsy, conviently chosen information.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
And if he does I'll get off him. If he becomes a good QB I'll call him a good QB. As it is right now, he's not a good QB. I'm going to call a spade a spade.
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The good part is your opinion about Dobbs or anything UT football in the big picture means nothing, Zero.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
And if he does I'll get off him. If he becomes a good QB I'll call him a good QB. As it is right now, he's not a good QB. I'm going to call a spade a spade.
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Naw, you're not calling a spade. The things can't hear anyway. You're using it to bury the kid before he's actually dead. Here's how it works. He develops and has really good games, even some great ones. Then as happens with anybody, he has a bad game. You hit him on the head with the edge of the spade and bury him. It's the Jerry Springer way.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
The good part is your opinion about Dobbs or anything UT football in the big picture means nothing, Zero.
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Is that supposed to somehow isolate me from the rest of the fanbase? Or from other VN members such as...... I dunno..... PrattvilleVol for instance?
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Naw, you're not calling a spade. The things can't hear anyway. You're using it to bury the kid before he's actually dead. Here's how it works. He develops and has really good games, even some great ones. Then as happens with anybody, he has a bad game. You hit him on the head with the edge of the spade and bury him. It's the Jerry Springer way.
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I'm not like that. If Dobbs wins the starting job I'll be thoroughly impressed, and if he is our starter I will back him. If he comes out and looks good, keeps impressing me with his feet, and shows that he has become a force in the passing game I will be ecstatic. If he happens to start, and comes out and plays well against Utah State I will not utter a bad word about him. If he beats USU and Arky State and blows it against Oklahoma I won't hold it against him. I will still support him. At that point he will have earned my trust by winning the starting job (instead of getting it by default because 3 other guys are injured) and by going 2-0 in our first 2 games.

However, if he wins the starting job for the USU game and comes out and plays like he did against Vandy...... if Josh Dobbs ever steps on the field for Tennessee again, against a crap team like Vandy, and throws for 50 yards (over half of which came in the final drive) in 4 quarters, 0 TD's, and 2 interceptions, continues to get hit in the face with snaps, and makes poor decision after poor decision, I will continue to stand exactly where I stood the last time I saw him play in a game that mattered. That is, I will say he is an awful, atrocious QB that doesn't deserve to play in the SEC. That's what I think of him right now, and I would absolutely love to be proven wrong.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I'm not like that. If Dobbs wins the starting job I'll be thoroughly impressed, and if he is our starter I will back him. If he comes out and looks good, keeps impressing me with his feet, and shows that he has become a force in the passing game I will be ecstatic. If he happens to start, and comes out and plays well against Utah State I will not utter a bad word about him. If he beats USU and Arky State and blows it against Oklahoma I won't hold it against him. I will still support him. At that point he will have earned my trust by winning the starting job (instead of getting it by default because 3 other guys are injured) and by going 2-0 in our first 2 games.

However, if he wins the starting job for the USU game and comes out and plays like he did against Vandy...... if Josh Dobbs ever steps on the field for Tennessee again, against a crap team like Vandy, and throws for 50 yards (over half of which came in the final drive) in 4 quarters, 0 TD's, and 2 interceptions, continues to get hit in the face with snaps, and makes poor decision after poor decision, I will continue to stand exactly where I stood the last time I saw him play in a game that mattered. That is, I will say he is an awful, atrocious QB that doesn't deserve to play in the SEC. That's what I think of him right now, and I would absolutely love to be proven wrong.
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Ok. So it's more like this:
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
Is that supposed to somehow isolate me from the rest of the fanbase? Or from other VN members such as...... I dunno..... PrattvilleVol for instance?
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You do a pretty good job of isolating yourself without any help but yes that includes me and most everybody on VN. So now you "doono".
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I'm not like that. If Dobbs wins the starting job I'll be thoroughly impressed, and if he is our starter I will back him. If he comes out and looks good, keeps impressing me with his feet, and shows that he has become a force in the passing game I will be ecstatic. If he happens to start, and comes out and plays well against Utah State I will not utter a bad word about him. If he beats USU and Arky State and blows it against Oklahoma I won't hold it against him. I will still support him. At that point he will have earned my trust by winning the starting job (instead of getting it by default because 3 other guys are injured) and by going 2-0 in our first 2 games.

However, if he wins the starting job for the USU game and comes out and plays like he did against Vandy...... if Josh Dobbs ever steps on the field for Tennessee again, against a crap team like Vandy, and throws for 50 yards (over half of which came in the final drive) in 4 quarters, 0 TD's, and 2 interceptions, continues to get hit in the face with snaps, and makes poor decision after poor decision, I will continue to stand exactly where I stood the last time I saw him play in a game that mattered. That is, I will say he is an awful, atrocious QB that doesn't deserve to play in the SEC. That's what I think of him right now, and I would absolutely
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With that analogy, it's safe to say you only love and support your wife when she's having a good day and when she has an off day she is awful and atrocious and doesn't deserve to be your wife. Alrighty then. Good luck bro.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
With that analogy, it's safe to say you only love and support your wife when she's having a good day and when she has an off day she is awful and atrocious and doesn't deserve to be your wife. Alrighty then. Good luck bro.
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I literally laughed out loud at this
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Actually the only time I've mentioned him is in this thread. I know hes going to develop and improve, but so is Justin Worley. I think he should start next year and if he doesnt get it done then he should be pulled. What gets on my nerves is people thinking Dobbs should start next year no questions asked when in reality he isn't that good and has shown me nothing to make me believe he can be the guy. He started the season 4th on the depth chart for a reason and didn't do a single thing special in his 5 games. He was below average.
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Everybody has questions about Dobbs, I know I do. But many of us see a lot of potential in him. There are a lot of guys who seem to have already written him off and are calling him "awful" and not an SEC QB. Just feel the need to try and add a little balance to the conversation.

Fact is that he had his ups and downs vs Bama, Missouri and Auburn. Only game that truly had me scratching my head about his future was Vandy, but I honestly believe that was every bit as much if not more on the coaches and WRs as it was on him. Evenso, he had the game won without Pig's stupid unnecessary block on the back.

A lot of people are dismissing him and wanting Worley. Who knows, maybe Worley steps up, improves and shows a higher ceiling this year. But the stats show that Dobbs was right there in terms of throwing the ball with his passing efficiency with Worley (neither were very good) and he was certainly a much better playmaker with his feet. I think Dobbs will show great improvement after a full year in the program and will push hard to be the starter.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Actually the only time I've mentioned him is in this thread. I know hes going to develop and improve, but so is Justin Worley. I think he should start next year and if he doesnt get it done then he should be pulled. What gets on my nerves is people thinking Dobbs should start next year no questions asked when in reality he isn't that good and has shown me nothing to make me believe he can be the guy. He started the season 4th on the depth chart for a reason and didn't do a single thing special in his 5 games. He was below average.
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lulz...
 
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I don't know who will start at QB this year for the Vols and it is likely that the coaches have no idea either. What I do know is that the QB position will be the difference between another 5-7 season or a bowl game this year, just like it was last year.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I'm not like that. If Dobbs wins the starting job I'll be thoroughly impressed, and if he is our starter I will back him. If he comes out and looks good, keeps impressing me with his feet, and shows that he has become a force in the passing game I will be ecstatic. If he happens to start, and comes out and plays well against Utah State I will not utter a bad word about him. If he beats USU and Arky State and blows it against Oklahoma I won't hold it against him. I will still support him. At that point he will have earned my trust by winning the starting job (instead of getting it by default because 3 other guys are injured) and by going 2-0 in our first 2 games.

However, if he wins the starting job for the USU game and comes out and plays like he did against Vandy...... if Josh Dobbs ever steps on the field for Tennessee again, against a crap team like Vandy, and throws for 50 yards (over half of which came in the final drive) in 4 quarters, 0 TD's, and 2 interceptions, continues to get hit in the face with snaps, and makes poor decision after poor decision, I will continue to stand exactly where I stood the last time I saw him play in a game that mattered. That is, I will say he is an awful, atrocious QB that doesn't deserve to play in the SEC. That's what I think of him right now, and I would absolutely love to be proven wrong.
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Jeez, that last paragraph. I was disappointed with Dobbs' play vs Vandy as well. But you could argue that both ints were due to pooly run routes by his WRs... I know the 2nd one was on Croom, hands down.

The coaches completely abandoned the passing game altogether once North went out. It occurred to me that it was as much because nobody could get open vs Vandy's 2nd string DBs as it was Dobbs' inability to throw even the simplest route. Even without the pathetic passing game we saw, Dobbs still made a play that wins the game if Pig doesn't have a penchant for making a game losing play with the unnecessary block in the back.

I saw a lot of potential in a Dobbs last year and there's just no way I'm gonna criticize an 18 year old freshman to the extent that many have, playing QB in the SEC under very difficult circumstances, with virtually no decent WR to throw the ball to vs some of the very best teams in the country ( Bama, Mizzou, Auburn).
 
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