Does Anybody Else Love Chris Christie

[therealUT]

they also saved the surplus from a couple of years ago. there is a reason why texas' credit rating is far higher than california or illinois.

Correct; that said, I still would argue against any statement that Perry is "financially responsible".

 

[VOLatile]

I wasn't kidding. Being responsible with money is a good thing my liberal friend and just check out all the new industry Texas has brought in from Lib states such as Cali, Washington State, etc.because Texas policy is business friendly which creates jobs. That is funny how?
Office of the Governor - Rick Perry

You can defend Rick Perry, but in no way should Rand Paul be taken seriously by anyone.

 

[IPorange]

Texas has one of the highest Debt to GDP ratios in the nation, complemented by a real growth rate that is materially as low as California's (2.9 and 2.7%, respectively).

People want to believe in magic answers via partisan politics.

 

[n_huffhines]

Texas has one of the highest Debt to GDP ratios in the nation, complemented by a real growth rate that is materially as low as California's (2.9 and 2.7%, respectively).

Probably cause they are stupid and pay their teachers a buttload (and waste money in other ways). My bro-in-law works there and started out at like $46K teaching Spanish for 8 months a year. I was like, "how is that possible?".

 

[VOLatile]

Probably cause they are stupid and pay their teachers a buttload (and waste money in other ways). My bro-in-law works there and started out at like $46K teaching Spanish for 8 months a year. I was like, "how is that possible?".

$46k seems right where an entry teacher should be paid. If you think being a teacher is a cakewalk or a part-time job, then you might want to consider talking to more about it, especially the dedicated ones (yeah, there are definitely some that are overpaid).

 

[MUR73]

I would pin the rate of return at between 4 and 6%; however, the point remains valid.

My figure maybe optimistic but not unrealistic, i stick with rate of return as long as you have a decent Mutual fund.imo

 

[MUR73]

they also saved the surplus from a couple of years ago. there is a reason why texas' credit rating is far higher than california or illinois.

They don't have the unsustainable pensions that Cali and Illionois have either.

 

[MUR73]

You can defend Rick Perry, but in no way should Rand Paul be taken seriously by anyone.

Why not?

 

[therealUT]

$46k seems right where an entry teacher should be paid.

I disagree. College "education" programs are neither strenuous enough nor costly enough to warrant that type of entry level salary for twelve months, let alone nine.

If you think being a teacher is a cakewalk or a part-time job, then you might want to consider talking to more about it, especially the dedicated ones (yeah, there are definitely some that are overpaid).

I would have to say that my impression is that being a teacher is a cakewalk. If the NEA dropped its requirements for certain certifications, thus allowing Public School Districts to hire retired professionals, the average salary and average benefits drop, quantifiable student results metrics show drastic improvement, and college education programs become obsolete. JMO.

 

[MUR73]

Correct; that said, I still would argue against any statement that Perry is "financially responsible".

Maybe not perfect, but in comparison to the two states i mention , Cali & Illionios, he looks like Scrooge Mcduck swimming through his states capital(i mean money available not Austin by the way).

p.s.i know the before mention reference set up a greedy republiican joke to be made, so go ahead.

 

[n_huffhines]

Why not?

Yeah, why not Rand Paul?

 

[n_huffhines]

$46k seems right where an entry teacher should be paid. If you think being a teacher is a cakewalk or a part-time job, then you might want to consider talking to more about it, especially the dedicated ones (yeah, there are definitely some that are overpaid).

I don't assume to know what a teacher SHOULD be paid. All I know is at $46K there is a lot more supply than demand. If being a teacher is such a raw deal for most, why are people lining up in droves for the job?

 

[lumberjack4]

$46k seems right where an entry teacher should be paid. If you think being a teacher is a cakewalk or a part-time job, then you might want to consider talking to more about it, especially the dedicated ones (yeah, there are definitely some that are overpaid).

Growing up in a family of educators I can assure you that teaching in a K-12 system is not hard. Never forget that teachers are paid to work 9 months out of the year. The second they start complaining they are underpaid tell them to work a full 12 months like the rest of us.

 

[droski]

If being a teacher is such a raw deal for most, why are people lining up in droves for the job?

i've asked exactly the same question. my wife's school is hiring and they are getting hundreds of applications. obviously the pay ain't as bad as people are saying and it does provide a good work/life balance IMO.

 

[n_huffhines]

Growing up in a family of educators I can assure you that teaching in a K-12 system is not hard. Never forget that teachers are paid to work 9 months out of the year. The second they start complaining they are underpaid tell them to work a full 12 months like the rest of us.

My Dad is a teacher. Both his parents are teachers. My feelings exactly. $46K for 9 months over a full year is $61K! $61K! That's a lot of money for a job people would do for $25K.

 

[droski]

especially if you have a pension plan on top of it.

 

[JZVOL]

9 months for teachers? My wife goes from early August to the end of May. And in Knoxville with a masters she started at around $38 K

 

[therealUT]

9 months for teachers? My wife goes from early August to the end of May. And in Knoxville with a masters she started at around $38 K

So, your wife worked 10 months...I imagine she also had spring break and a longer "winter" vacation than most everybody in the private sector.

 

[lumberjack4]

9 months for teachers? My wife goes from early August to the end of May. And in Knoxville with a masters she started at around $38 K

Throw in spring break, Christmas break, and weather days and youre not working 10 months anymore. In Alabama the school year is 180 days. I work 252 days after holidays.
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[volinbham]

Let's be honest - a lot of jobs are not "hard". I'd say teaching is about average in terms of difficulty with most jobs.

The nine month thing certainly makes it more appealing.

We can argue that teachers are overpaid but so are lots of folks using that standard.

 

[JZVOL]

She also was the cheerleading coach and practiced three nights a week, had a football game every Friday and then two basketball games per week, grade papers at night, conferences with parents... she works far more hours than I do.

Not saying it's the toughest job in America but it's not super easy for someone who cares.

 

[n_huffhines]

9 months for teachers? My wife goes from early August to the end of May. And in Knoxville with a masters she started at around $38 K

So not quite 10 months? 38/10*12 = $45.6K

She might have an advanced degree, but that degree is not valued by the private sector so it isn't much of a bargaining chip. My friend scored an 11 and a 14 on the ACT (2 tries) and he has a masters in education. The degree means nothing to me other than the fact that it's a license to teach.

 

[JZVOL]

So not quite 10 months? 38/10*12 = $45.6K

She might have an advanced degree, but that degree is not valued by the private sector so it isn't much of a bargaining chip. My friend scored an 11 and a 14 on the ACT (2 tries) and he has a masters in education. The degree means nothing to me other than the fact that it's a license to teach.

And? My wife originally got into the architecture program @ UT decided she wanted to teach, graduated with a major in history, minor in poli-sci and master's in education and graduated with a 3.9 and did in 3.5 years.

I could care less what anything "means to you."

 

[JZVOL]

So not quite 10 months? 38/10*12 = $45.6K

She might have an advanced degree, but that degree is not valued by the private sector so it isn't much of a bargaining chip. My friend scored an 11 and a 14 on the ACT (2 tries) and he has a masters in education. The degree means nothing to me other than the fact that it's a license to teach.

And there are plenty of dumb people in the private sector that have salaries they don't deserve.

 

[droski]

She also was the cheerleading coach and practiced three nights a week, had a football game every Friday and then two basketball games per week, grade papers at night, conferences with parents... she works far more hours than I do.

Not saying it's the toughest job in America but it's not super easy for someone who cares.

coaches who teach other subjects definetely work the hardest. my wife definietely does not work more hours than i do and i'm not exactly a work-aholic.