Does Chandler really cut it as a PG

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Chandler is the second best PG on the team. ZZ has outplayed him over the last few weeks-- better 3pt & FT shooter, better ball-handler, fewer T/O's, and better defender. Chandler is explosive to the rim, but other teams have figured out how to stop his drives for the most part.
 
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and just think, he could be even better if he didn’t have rick on his back 24/7 after ever little mistake he makes & takes him out for it…
 
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Volle said:
Chandler is the second best PG on the team. ZZ has outplayed him over the last few weeks-- better 3pt & FT shooter, better ball-handler, fewer T/O's, and better defender. Chandler is explosive to the rim, but other teams have figured out how to stop his drives for the most part.
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I’m not going to say Z isn’t a good player because he certainly is……..however just because he out played Chandler on Saturday doesn’t mean he’s the “best” PG on the team.

You realize Chandler had 18 points, 5 boards, 3 assists and 5 steals vs State this past week……right?

You also realize Chandler had a double double vs SC……with 11 points, 10 assists, 3 boards and 3 steals.

VS A&M Chandler had 16 points, 2 boards, 7 assists and 3 steals.

Again Zeigler did out play Chandler Saturday…….however until then he certainly “hadn’t” been out playing him, really even over the past few weeks. Fewer turnovers but also fewer assists and really everything else.
 
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JRVOL11 said:
and just think, he could be even better if he didn’t have rick on his back 24/7 after ever little mistake he makes & takes him out for it…
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I’m not sure that’s how that works. JMO. Chandler averages 30mpg, highest on the team. If he stayed out of foul trouble he’d be a few minutes higher likely. If Rick takes him out to teach the kid it’s not for very long.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I pointed out in the game thread last night that KC is #2 in the nation in assists among freshmen and a top 20 scorer. If you filter out the one bid league freshmen he's top 10. Someone told me he hadn't had any big games and I pointed out that vs Miss State in the prior game he had 18 points on 8-13 shooting, with 5 freaking steals, which is an incredible number. They then argued that he had never taken over a game late to help seal a win, right as he went on his one man 6-0 spurt to turn a close game into a double digit lead.

He's an NBA level PG and while I'd love to have him back, there's nothing he can do in college next year that would make him any better off than going to the NBA next year and getting paid to learn the system his NBA team wants him to run.
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I think that last part depends on where’s he picked, not just an in general statement. If he falls to late 1st/early 2nd then I definitely think it’s plausible he could come back and raise his stock enough for it to be worth it.
 
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HippieVol33 said:
I’m not sure that’s how that works. JMO. Chandler averages 30mpg, highest on the team. If he stayed out of foul trouble he’d be a few minutes higher likely. If Rick takes him out to teach the kid it’s not for very long.
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I’m thinking you missed the sarcasm?
 
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Chandler is gone after this season, glad he came here, but Vol fan memories of him will be short since he was a quick one and done. Vol fans like players that build a legacy, if UT wins a natty or Chandler leads them to a final four then he has a greater shot at being remembered. He has progressed really well this season and I hope to see him put it to Kentucky tomorrow night.
 
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JRVOL11 said:
and just think, he could be even better if he didn’t have rick on his back 24/7 after ever little mistake he makes & takes him out for it…
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Some people call that coaching and holding your players (yes, even your superstars) accountable for their actions on the floor.

I agree that Barnes gets frustrated with his young players a little too quickly, but I'm okay with that if he's making it a teachable moment. Rarely do you see him yank a guy for a mistake and then not meet him on the sideline to make it a teachable moment. We don't know what he's saying, but so many just assume he's over there ripping him a new one and telling him he sucks. You don't get the reputation Barnes has amongst his players, both current and former, by being a vindictive a-hole with your substitutions.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Some people call that coaching and holding your players (yes, even your superstars) accountable for their actions on the floor.

I agree that Barnes gets frustrated with his young players a little to quickly, but I'm okay with that if he's making it a teachable moment. Rarely do you see him yank a guy for a mistake and then not meet him on the sideline to make it a teachable moment. We don't know what he's saying, but so many just assume he's over there ripping him a new one and telling him he sucks. You don't get the reputation Barnes has amongst his players, both current and former, by being a vindictive a-hole with your substitutions.
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Barnes is an amazing teacher--all you have to do is remember Grant Williams and Admiral in the beginning and how they ended-- also, right now, look at our 7 foot Uri. He is still a bit clutzy, but getting better every game.
 
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HippieVol33 said:
I’m not sure that’s how that works. JMO. Chandler averages 30mpg, highest on the team. If he stayed out of foul trouble he’d be a few minutes higher likely. If Rick takes him out to teach the kid it’s not for very long.
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I haven’t watched every game closely, but I’ve seen them take him out before a media timeout to get him extra rest. They will bring ZZ in and let KC sit another minute or two after the timeout. I’m not sure what some of our fans are watching when they say he gets pulled for a mistake. It’s quite calculated to me.
 
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Word: ZIEGLER. There's your Point Guard. Anyone else noticed Chandler's step back since Ziggy emerged? Chandler is Great, at the 2. WHO is the QB when the pressure is amped up? Ziggy.
 
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JoAllan said:
Below is some information to help you decide. I have heard “he is a 5 star he should be way better”, “he isn’t panning out”, and all kinds of (what seems to me - but you look and decide) garbage. Below I’ll put the top 10 point guards of this past cycle and their stats. I’ll also put the top 2 point guards of the past few years (when I can - a couple went pro, 1 didn’t play). I didn’t list Cunningham - no real need. We know he is much better, was the overall #1 player (and a 6-8 pg).

KENNEDY CHANDLER, Tennessee, #1 pg, 13.1 points, 3.1 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 2.3 steals, 2.8 to, 44%, 31.7 3pt%

JD Davison, Bama, #3 pg - 8.6 points, 4.2 rebounds, 4 assists, .8 steals, 2.7 to, 48%, 31.7 3pt %,

TyTy Washington, KY, #4 pg - 12.8 points, 3.8 rebounds, 4.1 assists, 1.3 steals, 1.7 to, 47.7%, 34.6 3pt %,

Nolan Hickman, Gonzaga, #5 pg - 6.6 points, 1.8 rebounds, 1.7 assists, .7 steals, .8 to, 46.8%, 35.3 3pt %,

Tyrese Hunter, Iowa ST, #6 pg, 10.8 points, 3.3 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 1.9 steals, 3.3 to, 39.3%, 21.3 3pt %,

Frankie Collins, Michigan, #7 pg, 2.8 points, 1.6 rebounds, 1.7 assists, .4 steals, 1.3 to, 39.6%, 15.4 3pt %,

Daeshun Ruffin, Mississippi, #8 pg, 12.6 points, 1.5 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 2.3 steals, 2.6 to, 37.3%, 21.6 3pt%

Jaden Akins, Mich ST, #9 pg, 3.7 points, 2.5 rebounds, .6 assists, .8 steals, .7 to, 41.8%, 33.3 3pt%,

Rahsool Diggins, Connecticut, #10 pg, 7 total points, 0 rebounds, 3 total assists, 4 total to, 30%, 33% 3pt% (1 of 3)


Last season: (#1pg was #1 overall player and 6ft 8 - but yea he was definitely better)

Caleb love, UNC, #2 pg, 10.5 points, 2.6 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 3.1 to, 31.6%, 26.6 3pt%

Jeremy Roach, Duke, #4pg, 8.7 points, 2.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists, .8 steals, 45%, 31 3pt %

2019:

Nico Mannion, Arizona, #1pg, 14 points, 2.5 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 1.2 steals, 2.6 to, 39%, 32.7 3pt %

Tre Mann, Florida, #2pg, 5.3 points, 1.9 rebounds, .7 assists, .7 steals, 1.1 to, 36%, 27 3pt%

2018: Garland was 2 but mostly quit

Ashton Hagans, KY, #1 pg, 7.7 points, 2.6 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 1.6 steals, 2.5 to, 46%, 27 3pt %

Tre Jones, Duke, #3pg, 9.4 points, 3.8 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 1.9 steals, 1.5 to, 41%, 26 3pt%


Looks to me he is AT LEAST as good as any of these, and better than most. Chandler is probably better than any of the other top pg’s this season (tyty and Ruffin are probably the closest).

But hey what do I know……..he not good……stats lie.
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Playing time would have been nice as an indicator also.
 
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JohnWardForever said:
Word: ZIEGLER. There's your Point Guard. Anyone else noticed Chandler's step back since Ziggy emerged? Chandler is Great, at the 2. WHO is the QB when the pressure is amped up? Ziggy.
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When they are both on the floor, Zeigler has to be the PG because he can't play anywhere else that makes logical sense. You are essentially playing with two PGs at that point. Only one of them can bring the ball up.

Chandler in SEC play: 30.5 minutes/gm
12.7 ppg
3.4 rpg
4.8 apg
3.4 TOs/gm
2.9 spg

Zeigler in SEC play: 22.9 minutes/gm
10.1 ppg
2.2 rpg
2.8 apg
1.8 TOs/gm
2.4 spg

I think you're the only noticing any sort of "step back" for Chandler. They can both be good. This isn't the Cold War. You don't have to pick a side.
 
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The old Bobby Knight quote was “You are the point guard when the team follows you.” He said Isiah will always be the greatest player he’s ever coached, but he had to earn “point guard”. By that metric, KC may not be there. I’m not sure the current college game allows time for that though.
 
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cncchris33 said:
When they are both on the floor, Zeigler has to be the PG because he can't play anywhere else that makes logical sense. You are essentially playing with two PGs at that point. Only one of them can bring the ball up.

Chandler in SEC play: 30.5 minutes/gm
12.7 ppg
3.4 rpg
4.8 apg
3.4 TOs/gm
2.9 spg

Zeigler in SEC play: 22.9 minutes/gm
10.1 ppg
2.2 rpg
2.8 apg
1.8 TOs/gm
2.4 spg

I think you're the only noticing any sort of "step back" for Chandler. They can both be good. This isn't the Cold War. You don't have to pick a side.
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Neither are what I’d consider a true scoring PG like a Molinar or Pippen, but when they’re on the court together they are a more lethal scoring combo. So much quickness on the floor at once
 
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