Does Chandler really cut it as a PG

[walkenvol]

Neither are what I’d consider a true scoring PG like a Molinar or Pippen, but when they’re on the court together they are a more lethal scoring combo. So much quickness on the floor at once

I don’t consider Molinar or Pippen a PG as they both are 2 guards to me

 

[Ghost of Archvol]

Below is some information to help you decide. I have heard “he is a 5 star he should be way better”, “he isn’t panning out”, and all kinds of (what seems to me - but you look and decide) garbage. Below I’ll put the top 10 point guards of this past cycle and their stats. I’ll also put the top 2 point guards of the past few years (when I can - a couple went pro, 1 didn’t play). I didn’t list Cunningham - no real need. We know he is much better, was the overall #1 player (and a 6-8 pg).

KENNEDY CHANDLER, Tennessee, #1 pg, 13.1 points, 3.1 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 2.3 steals, 2.8 to, 44%, 31.7 3pt%

JD Davison, Bama, #3 pg - 8.6 points, 4.2 rebounds, 4 assists, .8 steals, 2.7 to, 48%, 31.7 3pt %,

TyTy Washington, KY, #4 pg - 12.8 points, 3.8 rebounds, 4.1 assists, 1.3 steals, 1.7 to, 47.7%, 34.6 3pt %,

Nolan Hickman, Gonzaga, #5 pg - 6.6 points, 1.8 rebounds, 1.7 assists, .7 steals, .8 to, 46.8%, 35.3 3pt %,

Tyrese Hunter, Iowa ST, #6 pg, 10.8 points, 3.3 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 1.9 steals, 3.3 to, 39.3%, 21.3 3pt %,

Frankie Collins, Michigan, #7 pg, 2.8 points, 1.6 rebounds, 1.7 assists, .4 steals, 1.3 to, 39.6%, 15.4 3pt %,

Daeshun Ruffin, Mississippi, #8 pg, 12.6 points, 1.5 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 2.3 steals, 2.6 to, 37.3%, 21.6 3pt%

Jaden Akins, Mich ST, #9 pg, 3.7 points, 2.5 rebounds, .6 assists, .8 steals, .7 to, 41.8%, 33.3 3pt%,

Rahsool Diggins, Connecticut, #10 pg, 7 total points, 0 rebounds, 3 total assists, 4 total to, 30%, 33% 3pt% (1 of 3)


Last season: (#1pg was #1 overall player and 6ft 8 - but yea he was definitely better)

Caleb love, UNC, #2 pg, 10.5 points, 2.6 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 3.1 to, 31.6%, 26.6 3pt%

Jeremy Roach, Duke, #4pg, 8.7 points, 2.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists, .8 steals, 45%, 31 3pt %

2019:

Nico Mannion, Arizona, #1pg, 14 points, 2.5 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 1.2 steals, 2.6 to, 39%, 32.7 3pt %

Tre Mann, Florida, #2pg, 5.3 points, 1.9 rebounds, .7 assists, .7 steals, 1.1 to, 36%, 27 3pt%

2018: Garland was 2 but mostly quit

Ashton Hagans, KY, #1 pg, 7.7 points, 2.6 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 1.6 steals, 2.5 to, 46%, 27 3pt %

Tre Jones, Duke, #3pg, 9.4 points, 3.8 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 1.9 steals, 1.5 to, 41%, 26 3pt%


Looks to me he is AT LEAST as good as any of these, and better than most. Chandler is probably better than any of the other top pg’s this season (tyty and Ruffin are probably the closest).

But hey what do I know……..he not good……stats lie.

Of course, but he could use another year. He has had games where he looked really in control and then there are others where he has disappeared. The speed of the game from whence he came is much different - and there are a lot of premier point guards he has gone up against in this league as well as outside the league. Guys like him make eons of leap from their first to second years under Barnes. Question is, will he be patient.

I expect huge gains from BHH, Mashack and Aidoo next year. If we have ZZ and an improved Chandler, we could be a lot to handle.

 

[golfballs]

I don’t consider Molinar or Pippen a PG as they both are 2 guards to me

Who essentially run the point for their teams. You mean like Scovi is a 2 guard but he ran the point last year.

 

[Voltime123]

Of course, but he could use another year. He has had games where he looked really in control and then there are others where he has disappeared. The speed of the game from whence he came is much different - and there are a lot of premier point guards he has gone up against in this league as well as outside the league. Guys like him make eons of leap from their first to second years under Barnes. Question is, will he be patient.

I expect huge gains from BHH, Mashack and Aidoo next year. If we have ZZ and an improved Chandler, we could be a lot to handle.

Will be hard to pass up nba millions if he get that first round grade, but have ZZ and KC for two years in a row would be an embarrassment of riches at the PG position

 

[TNinSC]

dudes averaging 13 point and almost 5 assists a game as a freshman at the d1 level. two double doubles. he's good. other than the opening game against utm, saturday was the least amount of time he's played in a game (24 min all season)

 

[VolArmy74]

Kennedy is also going to draw the best defending guard most games as well. His turnovers have somewhat been affected this season by bigs who struggle to catch what would otherwise be assists. He hit Olivier in the chest and hands multiple times this season only to see it fumbled away rather than dunked.

 

[tennrich1]

Funny thing about expectations.

I agree. I personally believe any clear frustration with KC stems from all the money making, rating driven, pre-collegiate hype machines we see in sports now lead to unrealistic expectations on a kid. It’s amazing how our perspective changes with a kid when an elusive “5” star rating is given to him. KC is fine and clearly growing steadily as a point guard.

 

[cncchris33]

Neither are what I’d consider a true scoring PG like a Molinar or Pippen, but when they’re on the court together they are a more lethal scoring combo. So much quickness on the floor at once

Yeah, neither guy is an elite scorer, which is fine. They don't need to be.

 

[JohnWardForever]

When they are both on the floor, Zeigler has to be the PG because he can't play anywhere else that makes logical sense. You are essentially playing with two PGs at that point. Only one of them can bring the ball up.

Chandler in SEC play: 30.5 minutes/gm
12.7 ppg
3.4 rpg
4.8 apg
3.4 TOs/gm
2.9 spg

Zeigler in SEC play: 22.9 minutes/gm
10.1 ppg
2.2 rpg
2.8 apg
1.8 TOs/gm
2.4 spg

I think you're the only noticing any sort of "step back" for Chandler. They can both be good. This isn't the Cold War. You don't have to pick a side.

Well spare me the Dramatics. Not "Picking a side". SIMPLY noting who is the best at handling the ball under pressure. Simply IS difficult.

 

[cncchris33]

Well spare me the Dramatics. Not "Picking a side". SIMPLY noting who is the best at handling the ball under pressure. Simply IS difficult.

That's not all you were SIMPLY noting, though. If it were, you'd have just said that it appears that Zeigler is the best at handling the ball under pressure, and left it at that. Not sure a lot of people would have disagreed.

If that was your intent, it was poorly worded in the context of the rest of the discussion because you instead felt compelled to make passive mention of some phantom slump, or "step back" that Chandler seems to be experiencing, and I just don't see it. Sorry if that rubs you wrong, but it just seemed like a footnote used to pit one versus the other, perhaps unintentionally.

 

[JohnWardForever]

That's not all you were SIMPLY noting, though. If it were, you'd have just said that it appears that Zeigler is the best at handling the ball under pressure, and left it at that. Not sure a lot of people would have disagreed.

If that was your intent, it was poorly worded in the context of the rest of the discussion because you instead felt compelled to make passive mention of some phantom slump, or "step back" that Chandler seems to be experiencing, and I just don't see it. Sorry if that rubs you wrong, but it just seemed like a footnote used to pit one versus the other, perhaps unintentionally.

Man, Have a good day....

 

[Chris4Vols22]

Man, Have a good day....

I hope your day is getting better after being schooled by cncchris twice.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

and just think, he could be even better if he didn’t have rick on his back 24/7 after ever little mistake he makes & takes him out for it…

Perhaps Rick Barnes should take the Buzz Peterson approach to coaching players up.

 

[cncchris33]

I hope your day is getting better after being schooled by cncchris twice.

I wasn't even trying to be abrasive about it with my first post, but it likely came across that way. In a running conversation that seemingly is pitting Chandler and Zeigler against each other, I just don't see how you can say you were simply making a point about Zeigler that includes a subtle dig at Chandler.

I'm probably still on tilt with regards to Chandler due to the moronic posts by our fans in the Vandy game thread which caused me to read his post with a quick trigger.

Apologies @JohnWardForever if I took your post the wrong way. As I said, in the context of the greater conversation, it seemed like you were disparaging Chandler to make your point about ZZ.

 

[Volle]

I’m not going to say Z isn’t a good player because he certainly is……..however just because he out played Chandler on Saturday doesn’t mean he’s the “best” PG on the team.

Again Zeigler did out play Chandler Saturday…….however until then he certainly “hadn’t” been out playing him, really even over the past few weeks. Fewer turnovers but also fewer assists and really everything else.

KC has twice as many TO's, 21% less FT%, and about 5% lower 3pt%.

FT 3PT TO
ZZ 84.6% 36.4% 1.4
KC 63.6% 31.7% 2.8

 

[ReelfootVol]

Give me ZZ any day of the week !

 

[Doctrippin]

Below is some information to help you decide. I have heard “he is a 5 star he should be way better”, “he isn’t panning out”, and all kinds of (what seems to me - but you look and decide) garbage. Below I’ll put the top 10 point guards of this past cycle and their stats. I’ll also put the top 2 point guards of the past few years (when I can - a couple went pro, 1 didn’t play). I didn’t list Cunningham - no real need. We know he is much better, was the overall #1 player (and a 6-8 pg).

KENNEDY CHANDLER, Tennessee, #1 pg, 13.1 points, 3.1 rebounds, 4.8 assists, 2.3 steals, 2.8 to, 44%, 31.7 3pt%

JD Davison, Bama, #3 pg - 8.6 points, 4.2 rebounds, 4 assists, .8 steals, 2.7 to, 48%, 31.7 3pt %,

TyTy Washington, KY, #4 pg - 12.8 points, 3.8 rebounds, 4.1 assists, 1.3 steals, 1.7 to, 47.7%, 34.6 3pt %,

Nolan Hickman, Gonzaga, #5 pg - 6.6 points, 1.8 rebounds, 1.7 assists, .7 steals, .8 to, 46.8%, 35.3 3pt %,

Tyrese Hunter, Iowa ST, #6 pg, 10.8 points, 3.3 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 1.9 steals, 3.3 to, 39.3%, 21.3 3pt %,

Frankie Collins, Michigan, #7 pg, 2.8 points, 1.6 rebounds, 1.7 assists, .4 steals, 1.3 to, 39.6%, 15.4 3pt %,

Daeshun Ruffin, Mississippi, #8 pg, 12.6 points, 1.5 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 2.3 steals, 2.6 to, 37.3%, 21.6 3pt%

Jaden Akins, Mich ST, #9 pg, 3.7 points, 2.5 rebounds, .6 assists, .8 steals, .7 to, 41.8%, 33.3 3pt%,

Rahsool Diggins, Connecticut, #10 pg, 7 total points, 0 rebounds, 3 total assists, 4 total to, 30%, 33% 3pt% (1 of 3)


Last season: (#1pg was #1 overall player and 6ft 8 - but yea he was definitely better)

Caleb love, UNC, #2 pg, 10.5 points, 2.6 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 3.1 to, 31.6%, 26.6 3pt%

Jeremy Roach, Duke, #4pg, 8.7 points, 2.2 rebounds, 2.8 assists, .8 steals, 45%, 31 3pt %

2019:

Nico Mannion, Arizona, #1pg, 14 points, 2.5 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 1.2 steals, 2.6 to, 39%, 32.7 3pt %

Tre Mann, Florida, #2pg, 5.3 points, 1.9 rebounds, .7 assists, .7 steals, 1.1 to, 36%, 27 3pt%

2018: Garland was 2 but mostly quit

Ashton Hagans, KY, #1 pg, 7.7 points, 2.6 rebounds, 4.3 assists, 1.6 steals, 2.5 to, 46%, 27 3pt %

Tre Jones, Duke, #3pg, 9.4 points, 3.8 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 1.9 steals, 1.5 to, 41%, 26 3pt%


Looks to me he is AT LEAST as good as any of these, and better than most. Chandler is probably better than any of the other top pg’s this season (tyty and Ruffin are probably the closest).

But hey what do I know……..he not good……stats lie.

It's okay if he decides to stay another year with me. There is a silver lining here. He may decide he's not ready for the NBA and he clearly isn't at this point

 

[LibertyVol]

It's okay if he decides to stay another year with me. There is a silver lining here. He may decide he's not ready for the NBA and he clearly isn't at this point

Neither were Johnson or Springer. I would love
for him to come back. He is a great
Player and fun to watch. However, you have to take the money.

 

[cncchris33]

KC has twice as many TO's, 21% less FT%, and about 5% lower 3pt%.

FT 3PT TO
ZZ 84.6% 36.4% 1.4
KC 63.6% 31.7% 2.8

KC also plays more minutes. They have similar A:TO ratios across 40 minutes and across per 100 possessions, both just below 2:1.

The indivdual shooting percentages certainly favor ZZ, but their respective effective FG%s are nearly identical (KC - 48.9%, ZZ - 48.8%). Both are among the worst on the team, but not entirely unexpected as the smallest players on the team and where their shots come from.

We are lucky to have both guys.

 

[SonOfGodVolforlife]

KC is one of the best point guards UT has ever had. If he stayed a couple years, which we know he isn’t going to. He would be the best. Dude is a beast. He does have a few plays a game that shows he’s a true freshman but cmon he is a great basketball player. If he leaves after this year he will stilll be a first round pick. If he stays another year he could be playing for the first overall pick.

 

[Volnuck]

Anyone who doesn’t think KC is a good PG should be ignored.

I think he is good, but he has not played like the #1 point guard in the nation. 2 things a point guard can’t do, turn the ball over and miss free throws, he does both regularly. He basically had a “0“ day until the last 3 minutes Saturday. I hope he gets it all together, if not though, the draft will be interesting.

 

[golfballs]

I think he is good, but he has not played like the #1 point guard in the nation. 2 things a point guard can’t do, turn the ball over and miss free throws, he does both regularly. He basically had a “0“ day until the last 3 minutes Saturday. I hope he gets it all together, if not though, the draft will be interesting.

Why do you expect him to be the #1 PG in the nation?

 

[JoAllan]

I think he is good, but he has not played like the #1 point guard in the nation. 2 things a point guard can’t do, turn the ball over and miss free throws, he does both regularly. He basically had a “0“ day until the last 3 minutes Saturday. I hope he gets it all together, if not though, the draft will be interesting.

Did you even read over the material provided?

While he has turned the ball over…….so do a lot of freshman PG’s. However he also has quite a few assists. He plays more minutes than anyone on the team. As shown, for the most part he has met or exceeded the “other” very top PG’s of this year and the past several seasons.

Sure his free % is down…….but excuse me that isn’t near the main requirement for a “freshman” PG.

As shown: who of the top 10 true freshman PG’s is overwhelmingly/certainly better?

 

[Coastypop]

If he doesn’t who you think on our team should replace him and could do a better job

 

[JoAllan]

If he doesn’t who you think on our team should replace him and could do a better job

Who are you asking?