Don’t do this to yourselves

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Behr said:
I just don't see it being the same as far as what Hillbilly and Jack are talking about, but whatever.

I don't see things changing until the administration decides to change it or we get lucky with a hire, like I hope and pray we have with Pruitt. He starts winning and a lot of these conversations stop. A win tomorrow will help.
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Agree. Like you said I don't think I've ever heard of another school having a fan uprising against a booster before.

The thing about LSU and Saban is he was far from a home run hire when he got there. His credentials to that point said that he was probably a good coach, but there's no way anyone could have predicted how good he would be. Fast forward nearly 2 decades and we really don't know what we have in CJP. He's obviously one of the elite defensive minds in the game right now. I believe that will translate over to head coaching, but only time will tell.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Sparty was on probation and had not had a winning season for five years when Saban arrived. Saban too them to 4 bowls in 5 seasons, beat a #1 ranked OSU on the road, and never had a losing season at MSU. LSU doubled his salary putting him among the highest paid coaches of the time to get him in Baton Rouge. He was a huge hire. Behr asked and I answered. Of course, the usual peanut gallery who jumps on everyone else for poking holes and being negative had to chime in to poke holes and be negative. It's cool though. We'll all be buddies again in 3-5 seasons when we're collectively slurping up every Grumor we can stick a spoon in. Cheers. Go Vols!
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You’re gonna be so sad and lonely...er. 😆

Saban at Michigan State doesn’t meet your previously stated definition of “home run”. You’re qualifying him in a revisionist fashion. And my buddies have fun...you’d mourn at a bachelor party.
 
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Jack Burton said:
Florida is not very good but we are worse. Their DL is better than our OL which determines most games. Their offense may not score much, but their special teams will likely make big plays on us.

We won’t lose because of the name on their helmet or our history with them since division play began. We will lose because we aren’t very good at football right now.

Put on your Big Orange Cup and get ready for a kick to the junk. Of course, please bump this if we win.
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I've been afraid to open this thread for the fear of some NSFW graphic material
 
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How i have read this thread and see it panning out.

OP- Let me save all of you from yourselves, this is how you should think.

Crowd- We don't need you to tell us how to think. That's stupid, your wrong. This is how YOU should think. We're going to pump ourselves up before the game and if we lose, then we are grown enough to take it.

OP & Crowd- Before halftime: This ain't fair, the refs suck, the players suck, the coaches suck, Fulmer sucks, I'm not UT's friend no more. I'm going home to tell my daddy!
 
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Jack Burton said:
Florida is not very good but we are worse. Their DL is better than our OL which determines most games. Their offense may not score much, but their special teams will likely make big plays on us.

We won’t lose because of the name on their helmet or our history with them since division play began. We will lose because we aren’t very good at football right now.

Put on your Big Orange Cup and get ready for a kick to the junk. Of course, please bump this if we win.
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Stop and picture yourself as our coach saying all that to the team and fans for inspiration. Good grief just shut up.
 
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TN Outlaw said:
How i have read this thread and see it panning out.

OP- Let me save all of you from yourselves, this is how you should think.

Crowd- We don't need you to tell us how to think. That's stupid, your wrong. This is how YOU should think. We're going to pump ourselves up before the game and if we lose, then we are grown enough to take it.

OP if Florida wins.......
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Fify.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I don't know the ins and outs of that side of things. The only thing I know is that they went through a decade of disastrous coaching hires that left them in a situation similar to where we find ourselves now. They recovered and got back being among the upper echelon of the SEC, and so will we.
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I don't think the two are very comparable, MBRO.

That "disastrous decade" of LSU's included two consecutive years where they were champions or co-champs of their division, a 10-2 season that ended with a Peach Bowl win over Clemson, a 9-3 season that finished with an Independence Bowl victory over Notre Dame, and another winning season (7-4) that included a bowl win over Michigan State (yes, ironically, a Nick Saban-led Michigan State).

So that "disaster" is a far cry better than the Vols' Dark Ages from 2008 to 2017.

And I know that's not the point. The point is, they didn't have coaches who met their expectations, so they went out and hired a known Killer (Nick Saban).

Except that Nick wasn't so much a World Beater at that point. 2000 Nick Saban was 2017 Dan Mullen: a guy people thought highly of who had some success at a "lesser place." Not a known national title hunter.

As for Nick's high salary at LSU being proof that the Tigers were willing to go out and "pay for excellence," his salary was in fact doubled: to $1.2M/year. See, a big part of that was a sudden inflationary bubble in head coach pay...that was the decade when things ballooned from sub-$M up to the multi-$M range. Nick Saban benefitted in part by riding that bubble. LSU did expect much of him...but it's not like they knew he was destined to win multiple national titles. At that point, he hadn't even won a Power 5 conference championship. Heck, he hadn't even won a P5 division title.

So I personally don't think saying "LSU" helps make Hillbilly's case. It's probably the best play he's got. But it's not really an answer to Behr's question. Not a really good one, anyway.

I'd say, based on what we've seen in this thread so far, you'd have to conclude: no, that has never happened, Behr. The fan base has never forced an administration's hand by declining attendance, and made them go out to hire a Killer.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
Agree. Like you said I don't think I've ever heard of another school having a fan uprising against a booster before.

The thing about LSU and Saban is he was far from a home run hire when he got there. His credentials to that point said that he was probably a good coach, but there's no way anyone could have predicted how good he would be. Fast forward nearly 2 decades and we really don't know what we have in CJP. He's obviously one of the elite defensive minds in the game right now. I believe that will translate over to head coaching, but only time will tell.
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Heh, turns out we were in complete agreement; I didn't see this post of yours until after I replied to an earlier one. :)
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I don't think the two are very comparable, MBRO.

That "disastrous decade" of LSU's included two consecutive years where they were champions or co-champs of their division, a 10-2 season that ended with a Peach Bowl win over Clemson, a 9-3 season that finished with an Independence Bowl victory over Notre Dame, and another winning season (7-4) that included a bowl win over Michigan State (yes, ironically, a Nick Saban-led Michigan State).

So that "disaster" is a far cry better than the Vols' Dark Ages from 2008 to 2017.

And I know that's not the point. The point is, they didn't have coaches who met their expectations, so they went out and hired a known Killer (Nick Saban).

Except that Nick wasn't so much a Known Killer at that point. He was a very good coach who'd had relative success at a place that hadn't seen much lately. In other words, at that point in time, Nick was what Dan Mullen is today. A guy who had success at a "lesser place" and who had high expectations.

As for Nick's high salary at LSU being proof that the Tigers were willing to go out and "pay for excellence," his salary was in fact doubled: to $1.2M/year. See, a big part of that was a sudden inflationary bubble in head coach pay...those were the few years where things ballooned from sub-$M up to the multi-$M range, in a short period of time. Nick Saban benefitted in part by riding that bubble. LSU did expect much of him...but it's not like they knew he was destined to win multiple national titles. At that point, he hadn't even won a Power 5 conference championship. Heck, he hadn't even won a P5 division title.

So I personally don't think saying "LSU" helps make Hillbilly's case. It's probably the best play he's got. But it's not really an answer to Behr's question. Not a really good one, anyway.

I'd say, based on what we've seen in this thread so far, you'd have to conclude: no, that has never happened, Behr. The fan base has never forced an administration's hand by declining attendance, and made them go out to hire a Killer.
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Well I'm gonna fix that. Next time that ticket bish calls an axes me for my money, I'm gone tell her to gtfo an take that Haslum bunch with her or she ain't gone see that $20.
 
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butchna said:
You’re gonna be so sad and lonely...er. 😆

Saban at Michigan State doesn’t meet your previously stated definition of “home run”. You’re qualifying him in a revisionist fashion. And my buddies have fun...you’d mourn at a bachelor party.
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Saban's record at State reminds me a lot of Jim McElwain in Colorado. That didn't turn out to be a home run hire for Florida.
I can't buy the LSU comparison either.
 
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chargervol said:
Saban's record at State reminds me a lot of Jim McElwain in Colorado. That didn't turn out to be a home run hire for Florida.
I can't buy the LSU comparison either.
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His ultimate home run hire, Chip Kelly was a career FCS assistant who was Oregon’s OC for one season...couldn’t go that route. 😉
 
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If we're concerned with context, I think that you have to go back and look at how rare it was for a P5 school with any kind of history of success to have a coach poached. You worried that the NFL might come calling, or maybe your hfc's alma mater. Saban to LSU was a coup fueled by what was at the time mega bucks.

As far as boosters and fan revolts at LSU, I've always heard that LSU doesn't have any small group or individual demanding shot calls.

My main gripe with all of the post-Kiffin searches is that we always seem to move too slow and don't put enough dough on the table. Is that the fault of one booster, the AD, or a group of people? I don't know. I do know that we've laid a lot of blame at one guy's feet without really knowing the extent of his involvement. It seems like we have a cultural problem that has created an atmosphere where a Bama-like turnaround just can't happen because the institution lacks the will to put all of it's resources and reputation on the line to win football games.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
If we're concerned with context, I think that you have to go back and look at how rare it was for a P5 school with any kind of history of success to have a coach poached. You worried that the NFL might come calling, or maybe your hfc's alma mater. Saban to LSU was a coup fueled by what was at the time mega bucks.

As far as boosters and fan revolts at LSU, I've always heard that LSU doesn't have any small group or individual demanding shot calls.

My main gripe with all of the post-Kiffin searches is that we always seem to move too slow and don't put enough dough on the table. Is that the fault of one booster, the AD, or a group of people? I don't know. I do know that we've laid a lot of blame at one guy's feet without really knowing the extent of his involvement. It seems like we have a cultural problem that has created an atmosphere where a Bama-like turnaround just can't happen because the institution lacks the will to put all of it's resources and reputation on the line to win football games.
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What many fail to realize is that is in fact a group of people. The problem however, is that Jimmy and Bill's main interference is when that group of people are being decided upon.
Some posters act like others are making up some crazy tinfoil hat conspiracy. It's much simpler and accurate than that.
The brothers have the influence to place friends and business associates in positions of power, those friends aren't good choices for the positions. They make bad hires, the end.
Nothing 'illuminati' like, about it. Some just choose to wilfully ignore.
 
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Florida fans down here are saying the exact same things to each other. Funny how Jack believed he had an original thought with this thread.
 
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Behr said:
I have to laugh sometimes at the people that get mad and post their emotions without comprehending what they're responding to. He responded to you as if you've guaranteed a Volunteer win and telling him hes wrong and a dumbass, after your post clearly said what you were actually saying. Lol.
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LOL who said I was mad or emotional? I know I didn't. Just another assumption, just like that troll butchna.
 
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butchna said:
It would be frustrating if I valued his take. It’s just the same old same old “this means that and that means this” talking down to others you purport to be having a CONVERSATION with that begs a response. Skip the “you haven’t watched football”, shut the **** up and grill!
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For someone that doesn't value my take you sure spent a lot of time running your mouth about it.
 
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