Don Zimmer "I've Seen It All"

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#101
NYYVol said:
But that doesn't count because Bouton was obviously just cuckoo.

No need to pull his head out of the sand. PED's started when Jose Canseco said they did.
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With a comment like that, you insinuate that I believe that, which is not true.

You really should not assume so much about people you don't know.
 
#102
#102
NYYVol said:
Doesn't matter if you're a Yankee fan, Sox fan or a Seattle Pilots fan. Either way you're little view of PED's is asinine.
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How is it asinine?

Because I don't have respect for players that cheat? If so, so be it.
 
#103
#103
GahLee said:
Rather than say anything worthy, you throw out more insults.

Where is the bias in the comment that you quoted?
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I have tried to talk in a worthwhile way to you.

Doesn't fit in your fairy tale view of baseball.
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#105
GahLee said:
I have respect for the game and there is something to be said for doing it the right way...not just sports but in life.
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Then there are probably about five great players in the last 50 years you should find worthwhile. Maybe less.
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#106
#106
NYYVol said:
Your respect does not mean jack squat to the GOAT talk.
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Ok.

Maybe not to you, but when I think of the best players of all-time, I don't think of the players that have been caught cheating.

Sure the players that I admire and talk about as all-time greats might have used, I know this, but since they have not been linked, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Now you can go back and look at this whole argument and see who looks like a fool...all I have done is state my opinion and all you have done is throw out weightless insults to try and make yourself look better.

You have refused to debate anything, instead of making valid points you have let others try and you just co-sign, pretty weak.

Anytime you want to talk baseball and it can be about any team or any topic, I'm down but if all your going to do is try and insult me, then don't bother responding to anything I say and I will do the same to you.
 
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#108
GahLee said:
C'mon man, has to be more than that.
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If you count amphetamines, no. The players of the '60s and 'early '70s readily admit everyone used them. Nobody considered it a big deal. They considered it a necessary evil to make it through 162.
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#109
#109
GahLee said:
Ok.

Maybe not to you, but when I think of the best players of all-time, I don't think of the players that have been caught cheating.

Sure the players that I admire and talk about as all-time greats might have used, I know this, but since they have not been linked, I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

Now you can go back and look at this whole argument and see who looks like a fool...all I have done is state my opinion and all you have done is throw out weightless insults to try and make yourself look better.

You have refused to debate anything, instead of making valid points you have let others try and you just co-sign, pretty weak.

Anytime you want to talk baseball and it can be about any team or any topic, I'm down but if all your going to do is try and insult me, then don't bother responding to anything I say and I will do the same to you.
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Refused to debate anything?

Show me a non-drivel post of yours and I'd be glad to debate anything you choose.

You started this whole crap about Clemens and Bonds being cheaters and then hopped on your soapbox as if they are the only players that have ever used PEDs.

Then as a last ditch effort you threw some rivalry garbage into the mix.

Yet you want to cry about a debate. Come off of it.
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#110
NYYVol said:
Refused to debate anything?

Show me a non-drivel post of yours and I'd be glad to debate anything you choose.

You started this whole crap about Clemens and Bonds being cheaters and then hopped on your soapbox as if they are the only players that have ever used PEDs.

Then as a last ditch effort you threw some rivalry garbage into the mix.

Yet you want to cry about a debate. Come off of it.
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What are you talking about?

I never said that they were the only guys or anything of that nature, quit making up things for your own amusement.

What did I throw in about rivalry? I did not start the whole Yankee/Red Sox stuff, your buddy did that by asking if I count the Sox titles, which is a pretty dumb question. Then of course you threw your 2 cents in about it, I didn't bring it up.

You antagonize someone and then insult them when they retort. You must be a real popular guy.
 
#111
#111
GahLee said:
A career sustained by using PED's is a career not worth mentioning in my eyes.

Don't bring up 7 Cy Young awards when the guy who won them would not have won that many if it weren't for the drugs.
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Prove it.

This is the drivel from you that I have talked about.
 
#113
#113
A Boston guy cracking on a Yank for how much his team cheats. Highest of comedy. At least the Yank owns up to his side. Pretty sure the facts prove that no team cheats quite like my team fwiw. Just saying, the swingin A's of the 70s, mcgwire, canseco and Ricky in the late 80s/early nineties and Giambi and miggy just a few years ago.
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#114
#114
GahLee said:
Really? You guys just said that 80% used PED's, so Clemons is the only guy?
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Where did I say 80%?

And it's spelled Clemens. I'm just correcting you about your incorrect information on the Yankees.
 
#115
#115
volfanbill said:
A Boston guy cracking on a Yank for how much his team cheats. Highest of comedy. At least the Yank owns up to his side. Pretty sure the facts prove that no team cheats quite like my team fwiw. Just saying, the swingin A's of the 70s, mcgwire, canseco and Ricky in the late 80s/early nineties and Giambi and miggy just a few years ago.
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This is true. Reminds me of the old saying "To be the best, you have to cheat the best" or something like that.
 
#116
#116
JZVOL said:
Where did I say 80%?

And it's spelled Clemens. I'm just correcting you about your incorrect information on the Yankees.
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This thread should be referenced anytime gahlee gets out of line.

What an ass-clown.
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#117
#117
Vols520 said:
This thread should be referenced anytime gahlee gets out of line.

What an ass-clown.
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Indeed.

You must not be able to read. If you can, you should go back and see how all this started.

I guess being opposed to PED's makes you an ass-clown.
 
#118
#118
GahLee said:
Indeed.

You must not be able to read. If you can, you should go back and see how all this started.

I guess being opposed to PED's makes you an ass-clown.
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I wouldn't go that far, I was specifically referring to you saying Pedro is the best big game pitcher of this generation.

Had a good laugh at that one. I see your point on Clemens, but it's interesting how you don't call out the Boston teams that won while their stars were juiced up as bad as anybody.
 
#119
#119
Vols520 said:
I wouldn't go that far, I was specifically referring to you saying Pedro is the best big game pitcher of this generation.

Had a good laugh at that one. I see your point on Clemens, but it's interesting how you don't call out the Boston teams that won while their stars were juiced up as bad as anybody.
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Never said he was the best big game pitcher...never.
I did however say that he was the best pitcher of the last 20-30 years and I believe that. Just an opinion.

The whole deal with Boston/NY was contorted IMO, I didn't bring it up and I have said multiple times that I have lost nearly all respect for Ortiz and Manny.

Like I said, go back and read and see how it got to where it is in this thread.
 
#120
#120
GahLee said:
Never said he was the best big game pitcher...never.
I did however say that he was the best pitcher of the last 20-30 years and I believe that. Just an opinion.

The whole deal with Boston/NY was contorted IMO, I didn't bring it up and I have said multiple times that I have lost nearly all respect for Ortiz and Manny.

Like I said, go back and read and see how it got to where it is in this thread.
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I honestly just don't see how you can think Pedro was the best the last 20-30 years, but to each their own.
 
#122
#122
NYYVol said:
Don't interject facts to him.

The Yanks are cheaters and the Sox do it the right way in Bandwagonville.
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Wait, you're a Yankees fan and you're talking about the Red Sox being a bandwagon team? Dude, the Yankees are probably the biggest bandwagon team in all of sports (except for maybe the Lakers.)
 
#123
#123
Pedro's stuff, for awhile, was untouchable. Maddux just pick you apart with junk. Was beautiful watching him pitch.
 
#124
#124
BigOrange15 said:
Wait, you're a Yankees fan and you're talking about the Red Sox being a bandwagon team? Dude, the Yankees are probably the biggest bandwagon team in all of sports (except for maybe the Lakers.)
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I have never denied the Yankees have bandwagon fans.

Next time try and have somewhat of a clue before hitting submit reply.
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#125
#125
NYYVol said:
I have never denied the Yankees have bandwagon fans.

Next time try and have somewhat of a clue before hitting submit reply.
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Yeah I'll make sure I get right on that. All I'm saying is you probably shouldn't call another teams fans bandwagon fans when your team is the king of having bandwagon fans.
 
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