Don't forget about Worley!!!

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dt1979 said:
Worley will NEVER take another snap under center! However, I do believe Butch likes him and will keep him on as a Graduate Assistant. He will be a smart coach someday!:good!:
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This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen. You're gonna tell me that Ferguson (who has not played a snap) will be put ahead of Worley, who helped us beat South Carolina, next year? Sure, Dobbs may take over the starting spot, but if Worley stays and stays healthy, he will be ahead of Ferguson on the depth chart
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I'm not trying to burst the VN bubble here. I want Dobbs to be the savior of UT football too. But so far he's showing nothing that leads me to be believe he is.
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I think hes shown a lot of promise. He seems poised, has a strong arm, and hes somewhat athletic. Im not sure we should be expecting more from somebody who has only been on campus a few months.
 
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KingtUT said:
I think hes shown a lot of promise. He seems poised, has a strong arm, and hes somewhat athletic. Im not sure we should be expecting more from somebody who has only been on campus a few months.
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I agree he looks decent for a freshman. Doesn't make him currently a better player than Worley.
 
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ChattanoogaVols said:
You don't really need a "case in point" when your point is that you have to score a lot of points to win if your defense sucks. It's pretty much common sense; no need to provide an example to prove an obvious point.
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ooookk ... Wut.

I provided an example to back up my claim. I apologize.

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I think all 4 will compete again in the spring and fall practices. That's just Butch, and they'll go with whoever is best moving the O. It will be very interesting to see what Josh can do against a non-top 10 team.
 
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Top Gun said:
It seems to me from reading the posts on here that Worley isn't even in the conversation when it comes to next season. Dobbs has promise no doubt, and even though we haven't seen Ferg, there seems to be a lot of confidence in him. If everyone will stop and think back to the back to back GA. and SCAR. games, Worley was starting to be a leader and making the throws. Then he got hurt and we have lost 3 straight blowouts. This is not a knock on freshman Dobbs, only a just wait and see on Worley. Worley could be really outstanding his senior year.
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I 100% disagree. How many posters have talked about how Worley can't run CBJ's offense? Why would we take 2 steps back when we are trying to take 1 step forward?
 
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1972 Grad said:
Worley has been a starter for a grand total of 10 games in his career. As a true freshman, he started against So. Carolina, MTSU, and Arkansas. As a sophomore, he had zero starts. As a junior, he started 7 games. ....Austin Peay, W. Kentucky, South Alabama, Oregon, Georgia, So. Carolina, and Alabama.
You make it sound like Worley has played dozens of meaningful games without a win. There may have been 6 "meaningful game" starts at the most, and 2 of them were as a true freshman. His last 4 games are it , and still, he has had very little experience. He still has more meaningful wins than Bray or Dobbs.
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C'mon man. Why go down this road again? Why? "Meaningful" wins. Bray?? Starting looking to the future and get out of the past man! Dobbs is our future, as in this Saturday. Obviously Dobbs was the most qualified freshman to start or CBJ would have started someone else.
 
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Top Gun said:
It seems to me from reading the posts on here that Worley isn't even in the conversation when it comes to next season. Dobbs has promise no doubt, and even though we haven't seen Ferg, there seems to be a lot of confidence in him. If everyone will stop and think back to the back to back GA. and SCAR. games, Worley was starting to be a leader and making the throws. Then he got hurt and we have lost 3 straight blowouts. This is not a knock on freshman Dobbs, only a just wait and see on Worley. Worley could be really outstanding his senior year.
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Agree 100%! Our future is bright!
 
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KBVol said:
McCarron is not a game manager in the sense that everybody wants to apply that label as a negative, meaning that the QB is not a playmaker and that he's asked just not to lose the game, not turn the ball over. It's true of Worley... It's just not true of McCarron.
He's thrown 70 tds and only 13 ints, 67% completions as a starter.... he sure looked like a playmaker and not a "game manager" when we played Bama this year to me
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I 100% agree with you on everything but mcCarron against us. All he had to do was get the ball to his wr and they were gone. How many yards did they get off mcCarron laterals or (wr screens)?
 
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jkleno said:
C'mon man. Why go down this road again? Why? "Meaningful" wins. Bray?? Starting looking to the future and get out of the past man! Dobbs is our future, as in this Saturday. Obviously Dobbs was the most qualified freshman to start or CBJ would have started someone else.
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As far as "meaningful" goes, you would have to go back and look at the context of the post to which I responded. I certainly do not mean to bash Dobbs, as I hope that whoever plays qb for U.T. is wildly successful. Jones started Dobbs because he was the ONLY healthy qb on the roster. He has been quoted as saying that there was no other choice. Dobbs was it.
 
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Top Gun said:
It seems to me from reading the posts on here that Worley isn't even in the conversation when it comes to next season. Dobbs has promise no doubt, and even though we haven't seen Ferg, there seems to be a lot of confidence in him. If everyone will stop and think back to the back to back GA. and SCAR. games, Worley was starting to be a leader and making the throws. Then he got hurt and we have lost 3 straight blowouts. This is not a knock on freshman Dobbs, only a just wait and see on Worley. Worley could be really outstanding his senior year.
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Even if Worley didnt get hurt he would've lost the past 3 games also, its not because we're starting a freshman at qb as the reason we lost those games.
 
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volfan5589 said:
I 100% agree with you on everything but mcCarron against us. All he had to do was get the ball to his wr and they were gone. How many yards did they get off mcCarron laterals or (wr screens)?
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Ok, so here's my final thought/comment on McCarron. What's the most important position on the field? QB right? Right. When AJ McCarron has started for Bama, they're 35-2 and have won 2 consecutive national championships with a third more than likely coming soon. I'm not saying he's the most dynamic playmaking QB I've ever seen. I'd say that guy is more than likely Manziel. But the kid threw 30 tds last year..... 30. A game manager, IMHO, would've thrown more like 14-15, just trying to "manage" the game, not get in the way, not turn the ball over. That's not what he did.

He's gonna throw around 30 again this year. Just saying the kid is a very good college QB who deserves the respect that his play has earned him. Not to be dismissed as a potential liability if he "goes off script" or something. He's better than that. I can hate Bama, which I do, but still recognize that their QB is very very good. That's all. He isn't, nor will he ever be anywhere near Peyton, but he's a lot better than the negative connotation that being called a "game manager" labels him.
 
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KBVol said:
Ok, so here's my final thought/comment on McCarron. What's the most important position on the field? QB right? Right. When AJ McCarron has started for Bama, they're 35-2 and have won 2 consecutive national championships with a third more than likely coming soon. I'm not saying he's the most dynamic playmaking QB I've ever seen. I'd say that guy is more than likely Manziel. But the kid threw 30 tds last year..... 30. A game manager, IMHO, would've thrown more like 14-15, just trying to "manage" the game, not get in the way, not turn the ball over. That's not what he did.

He's gonna throw around 30 again this year. Just saying the kid is a very good college QB who deserves the respect that his play has earned him. Not to be dismissed as a potential liability if he "goes off script" or something. He's better than that. I can hate Bama, which I do, but still recognize that their QB is very very good. That's all. He isn't, nor will he ever be anywhere near Peyton, but he's a lot better than the negative connotation that being called a "game manager" labels him.
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I agree that McCarron is a very, very good quarterback, and I would say that Saban also agrees with us.
 
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Let's compare our offensive productivity with Dobbs at the helm, accompanied by an inexperienced receiver corps, vs. the same period of Peyton's career. This year we scored 10 points against Alabama, the number one team in the country, 3 vs. Missouri, and 23 vs. Auburn, for a total of 36. Yes, I realize that we had a defensive score vs. Auburn.

Peyton first started against Washington State in 1994. We scored nine points that game, followed by 38 against what would prove to be a 4-7 Arkansas team, and 13 against an eventual 12-1 Alabama squad, for a total of 60 points. Peyton had a better and more experienced supporting cast, but, as great as he would eventually become, that offense didn't really begin to hum until the end of the season, when we posted 52 and 65 points against Kentucky and Vanderbilt, respectively, and 45 vs. Virginia Tech in the Gator Bowl.

The bottom line is that it's never an ideal situation to start a true freshman quarterback, so let's reserve judgment on Dobbs' potential, let alone his play, for a while. Furthermore, Peyton's first three starts were against teams with a combined 24-12 record. Dobbs has played against currently the 1st, 6th and 8th-ranked teams, whose combined record is 29-2. That could factor into why Dobbs has not thrown a touchdown pass thus far.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I'm not trying to burst the VN bubble here. I want Dobbs to be the savior of UT football too. But so far he's showing nothing that leads me to be believe he is.
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This.

Dobbs is ok for a freshman. But not showing enough to think he is going to be an upper tier SEC QB. Time to try RF
 
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KBVol said:
Ok, so here's my final thought/comment on McCarron. What's the most important position on the field? QB right? Right. When AJ McCarron has started for Bama, they're 35-2 and have won 2 consecutive national championships with a third more than likely coming soon. I'm not saying he's the most dynamic playmaking QB I've ever seen. I'd say that guy is more than likely Manziel. But the kid threw 30 tds last year..... 30. A game manager, IMHO, would've thrown more like 14-15, just trying to "manage" the game, not get in the way, not turn the ball over. That's not what he did.

He's gonna throw around 30 again this year. Just saying the kid is a very good college QB who deserves the respect that his play has earned him. Not to be dismissed as a potential liability if he "goes off script" or something. He's better than that. I can hate Bama, which I do, but still recognize that their QB is very very good. That's all. He isn't, nor will he ever be anywhere near Peyton, but he's a lot better than the negative connotation that being called a "game manager" labels him.
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He's a game manager. If not, then NFL scouts would have been beating his door down last year, especially as weak as the QB class was. The best coaches in all of football are in the NFL, period. The guy in the position before him also had an ungodly win-loss record, and he lost his NFL roster spot to Matt Simms. That's right, Matt Simms.

Look back at some of his throws. He has all day to pass, and his receivers are wide open. Several come on screen passes. Go back and watch the first half of the LSU game from this season. He missed several throws where the coverage was decent. Playmakers put the ball on the money against decent coverage.

But, of course, all this is just my opinion.
 
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tds8840 said:
He's a game manager. If not, then NFL scouts would have been beating his door down last year, especially as weak as the QB class was. The best coaches in all of football are in the NFL, period. The guy in the position before him also had an ungodly win-loss record, and he lost his NFL roster spot to Matt Simms. That's right, Matt Simms.

Look back at some of his throws. He has all day to pass, and his receivers are wide open. Several come on screen passes. Go back and watch the first half of the LSU game from this season. He missed several throws where the coverage was decent. Playmakers put the ball on the money against decent coverage.

But, of course, all this is just my opinion.
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So 67% completion rate over the 3 years with 70 tds and 13 picks isn't accurate?

Never mind, You're right, 37 starts, 35 of which they've won with him as the starter can really be boiled down to one half of football vs LSU this year. I love Peyton, but should we sum up his ability to play QB in the SEC based on the first half of the Florida game his junior year when he threw 4 picks and no tds? Peyton, I think you'll agree, had a great college career and is having a hall of fame NFL career. I have no idea if McCarron will do anything in the NFL, neither does anyone else. I haven't claimed he will, just that he's a very good QB at Bama.

I understand its just your opinion. My opinion is just and only that as well. But I'm at least trying to be objective and back it up with 3 years of data, all of which point to the idea that he's a very good collegiate QB and that Bama wins in large part because of him not in spite of him.
 
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Probably not going to happen but what I would give to see Worley come back next year and light it up. The lulz to be had watching some in this thread eat a s**t sandwich would be epic!
 
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