Don't know if true but I'm not happy...(Memphis St series)

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RhodesVol said:
Had a bunch of things to do, and since I couldn't watch it, I just ran errands and gamecasted. I typically try to find a bar, but it was a busy day. Radio's a great idea though.
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Gotcha. If you have an iPhone or android or maybe even other phones can, sports animal has an app and I'm sure they stream the game.
 
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UofMemphis said:
plus, nothing but CUSA teams the rest of the way...should be 25-26 wins going into selection sunday...and i bet we take the auto-bid.
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UofMemphis said:
ever heard of coach-speak? Pastner is progressing on pace...
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MemphisCanes said:
That's your opinion. Pastner may not have signature wins, but he's got a winning pct over 70% and has avoided horrible losses, such as Losing to Austin Peay at home.
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MemphisCanes said:
but you won't find a loss on Pastner's resume worse than Martin's loss to Peay at home. That's just the worst. They are terrible! 9-18.
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MemphisCanes said:
19-7, 9-2 in conference, tied for first (will be alone in first in not too long), projected as a 6-7 seed right now and climbing.Staright cash homey.
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MemphisCanes said:
During Pastner's time at Memphis, the worst team he's lost to at home was a 19-13 Tulsa team ranked 90th in kenpom. No sense ragging Pastner about a loss to UTEP when that UTEP team is better than the following SEC teams this season (according to Kenpom)
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and what do you memphis fans have to say about this:

LOSS AT HOME TO:

UTEP: RPI 147, 13-13(6-6), 1st conference road win, #7 in c-usa standing, 1st win over top 100 RPI team

:eek:lol:

please defend Pastner now...

this is right on line with the AP loss at home we suffered so you no longer can use that arguement and claim pastner hasnt lost a bad game at home.

you also cant sit here and say that clearly memphis is improving each year, this is not a sign of an improving team, to lose this big game at home in your 3rd season

last, but not least, if you cant beat UTEP at home how the hell do you expect to hang in the big east???
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
and what do you memphis fans have to say about this:

LOSS AT HOME TO:

UTEP: RPI 147, 13-13(6-6), 1st conference road win, #7 in c-usa standing, 1st win over top 100 RPI team

:eek:lol:

please defend Pastner now...

this is right on line with the AP loss at home we suffered so you no longer can use that arguement and claim pastner hasnt lost a bad game at home.

you also cant sit here and say that clearly memphis is improving each year, this is not a sign of an improving team, to lose this big game at home in your 3rd season

last, but not least, if you cant beat UTEP at home how the hell do you expect to hang in the big east???
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Still top 25 in kenpom, RPI, BPI, etc.

Again, his fate will be determined by his finish in the dance.

Nice to know you're not obsessed with Pastner and the Tigers though.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Still top 25 in kenpom, RPI, BPI, etc.

Again, his fate will be determined by his finish in the dance.

Nice to know you're not obsessed with Pastner and the Tigers though.
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that's all fine, i was just pointing out that he clearly is capable of losing a home game to a bad team, something you and the other memphis guys kept saying only ccm had done.

thats all my point was, nothing else.

in all seriousness now though, what do you mean his fate will be determined by....
is the guy on the hot seat???
 
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BTW Memphis Canes,

USF is a perfect example this year why you cant cupcake your ooc even though you're in the big east. they are most likely going to finish around 4-6 (currently are 4) in big east and will probably end up at around 19-12(11-6) on the season. currently a rpi in the 50's

and with all that arent even a bubble team as of now.

FWIW
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
BTW Memphis Canes,

USF is a perfect example this year why you cant cupcake your ooc even though you're in the big east. they are most likely going to finish around 4-6 (currently are 4) in big east and will probably end up at around 19-12(11-6) on the season. currently a rpi in the 50's

and with all that arent even a bubble team as of now.

FWIW
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Not on the bubble, huh?

I'd say they get one more win in conference and they're locked in.

You finish 4th in the Big East and you're dancing, even if your name is South Florida.

EDIT: "Locked" may be a bit much, after one more win. I think if they beat Cincy and WVU, they're dancing, and that is definitely not out of the question.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
that's all fine, i was just pointing out that he clearly is capable of losing a home game to a bad team, something you and the other memphis guys kept saying only ccm had done.

thats all my point was, nothing else.

in all seriousness now though, what do you mean his fate will be determined by....
is the guy on the hot seat???
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I mean in my mind. He's headed for his thrid straight 20 win season and 2 straight NCAA appearance. He's not anywhere near the hotseat I don't think.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Not on the bubble, huh?

I'd say they get one more win in conference and they're locked in.

You finish 4th in the Big East and you're dancing, even if your name is South Florida.

EDIT: "Locked" may be a bit much, after one more win. I think if they beat Cincy and WVU, they're dancing, and that is definitely not out of the question.
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dont argue with me about it, argue with the committee and lunardi who dont have them dancing. even after their win last night which makes them 17-10(10-4) and still in 4th they arent in.

yes locked may definitely be a bit much, if they win at home vs cincinnati thats not exactly the biggest rpi mover ever.

once again i said they would most likely finish 4-6, they arent going to run the table, atleast i highly doubt it so they most likely will fall a spot or to. if they were to finish 4th, which means they go atlealst 3-1, then yea they would be in.

even if they beat cincy and wvu at home and then get beat by cuse and louisville on the road i dont see them getting too much of a bump. they probably will move up just a bit and will have to show well in the big east tournament, but i dont think theyll be considered a lock at that point, atleast according to what lunardi was saying last night on the bracketology show i was watching.

all my point was that i was trying to make, was that awhile back you jumped on me saying that if memphis finishes 8-10 they still have a very good chance to make the dance, just look at uconn you pointed out. then when talking about OOC you said that pastner most likely wouldnt schedule as tough of an OOC as he has, because the conference SOS will more than make up for it. i was just bringing this up to show you that it is clearly possible that if you dont schedule a solid OOC schedule, just because you're in the big east doesnt mean you'll get in. USF is most likely like i said going to finish 4-6 and will not be in the dance, why? because they played a very weak OOC schedule.

thats all my point was, you and the other memphis guy that were in here, kept referencing uconn making it as a 9 seed to try and show that as long as you finish in the top half of the big east you will be in. i was just simply showing you, that even in a down year in college basketball, that is not the case, you can finish 4-6 and not be invited.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
I mean in my mind. He's headed for his thrid straight 20 win season and 2 straight NCAA appearance. He's not anywhere near the hotseat I don't think.
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i just wasnt sure what you meant by he will be judged after the tournament. i dont live near memphis, or know anybody from memphis really so i dont know what the vibe seems to be out there.

i was just curious what people are saying out there about him after that recent loss at home.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
dont argue with me about it, argue with the committee and lunardi who dont have them dancing. even after their win last night which makes them 17-10(10-4) and still in 4th they arent in.

yes locked may definitely be a bit much, if they win at home vs cincinnati thats not exactly the biggest rpi mover ever.

once again i said they would most likely finish 4-6, they arent going to run the table, atleast i highly doubt it so they most likely will fall a spot or to. if they were to finish 4th, which means they go atlealst 3-1, then yea they would be in.

even if they beat cincy and wvu at home and then get beat by cuse and louisville on the road i dont see them getting too much of a bump. they probably will move up just a bit and will have to show well in the big east tournament, but i dont think theyll be considered a lock at that point, atleast according to what lunardi was saying last night on the bracketology show i was watching.

all my point was that i was trying to make, was that awhile back you jumped on me saying that if memphis finishes 8-10 they still have a very good chance to make the dance, just look at uconn you pointed out. then when talking about OOC you said that pastner most likely wouldnt schedule as tough of an OOC as he has, because the conference SOS will more than make up for it. i was just bringing this up to show you that it is clearly possible that if you dont schedule a solid OOC schedule, just because you're in the big east doesnt mean you'll get in. USF is most likely like i said going to finish 4-6 and will not be in the dance, why? because they played a very weak OOC schedule.

thats all my point was, you and the other memphis guy that were in here, kept referencing uconn making it as a 9 seed to try and show that as long as you finish in the top half of the big east you will be in. i was just simply showing you, that even in a down year in college basketball, that is not the case, you can finish 4-6 and not be invited.
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South Florida is second out in Lunardi's latest Bracketology.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
i just wasnt sure what you meant by he will be judged after the tournament. i dont live near memphis, or know anybody from memphis really so i dont know what the vibe seems to be out there.

i was just curious what people are saying out there about him after that recent loss at home.
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People are pissed. Hoped the team was past these kind of losses.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
South Florida is second out in Lunardi's latest Bracketology.
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actually 3rd if we're going to be technical. point still being if they win 1 game and lose 3 you can bet that that wont stay the same. even if they go 2-2 they may have a hard time keeping that position.

once again all my point was, was that just because you're in the big east doesnt mean you can finish 1-9 and make the ncaa tournament as you were saying.

you still must play a good OOC schedule because of the fact this(USF) is what can happen if you dont, you are forced to beat some very good teams down the stretch to even get on the bubble.

very simply all im saying is that pastner will still have to play a good OOC schedule, and you had said that they wouldnt need to, that the SOS from the big east would get them in. clearly USF shows that that is not the case, and as i said this is even a down year for the selection committee, some very weak teams will get in.
 
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gorockytop101 said:
They won't miss the tournament.

Seriously, it's harder to miss the tournament than make it this year.
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if they lose 1 or 2 more c usa game, not out of the realm of possibility after their last loss, they absolutely would miss the tournament. unless of course they won the c-usa tournament.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
honest question, if he were to lose 1 or 2 more and miss on the tournament is he in trouble, or no matter what will he atleast get 1 more year?
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If the Tigers miss the tournament, then yes, he's in a bit of trouble. Not enough for his job to be in serious jeopardy, but you can't not make the NCAA tournament with a team like this in your third year on the job.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
if they lose 1 or 2 more c usa game, not out of the realm of possibility after their last loss, they absolutely would miss the tournament. unless of course they won the c-usa tournament.
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Nah, I think we'd have to lose 3 more games, one of which would have to be an early game in the C-USA tournament in Memphis.

I wouldn't bet on that.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Nah, I think we'd have to lose 3 more games, one of which would have to be an early game in the C-USA tournament in Memphis.

I wouldn't bet on that.
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i wouldnt bet on it either, but if they were to lose 1 more at home vs a bad team(like a utep) that would really hurt them bad. add to that with an early loss in c-usa tournament and they could be sweating it out come selection sunday.

with that said i dont see that happening, but i did call him losing another c-usa game, so who knows. as you said what he does in the tournament, if they do get in, will probably decide a lot as far as if the seat is warm at all or not going into next year.

IMO, id guess a 8-12 seed in the tourney and a first round loss probably wouldnt sit too well with the memphis fan base, and alum. JMO
 
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MemphisCanes said:
A monkey could see that Memphis has improved, both from last season and over this season. Pastner has turned Barton into a Wooden award contender, and Barton looked lost last season.

A blind monkey can see they have not. Started top 10, with hype and quickly fell by losing 5 games. Running to weak c-usa for a few wins that havent looked good, and 3 losses is not improvement. You're just gonna have to get used to this.

You've beat A ranked team. Singular. Florida has Mike Anderson syndrome and is horrible on the road. You've also lost at home to Austin Peay, who is 9-18.

No, they have 3 wins against ranked teams. UCONN was ranked when they played and Florida both times, its still 3 wins against a ranked opponent whether you like it or not. Which is 3 more than Pastner has in 3 seasons.


As for UT's improvement, they're a better team because they added a big time player. Who knows where UT would be if Stokes hadn't fell into Martin's lap.

Of course Stokes has helped but this is where a monkey could see this team has improved since the beginning of the season. I know you're still butthurt over Stokes but he fact is he always favored UT and always wanted out of Memphis, he hardly fell into Martin's lap. Get used to it!


I've explained why Memphis is no longer playing UT several times now. I've also told you that it's not my decision, personally I'd like to play you guys for another 5 years so we can take the series lead.
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Not one time have you explained it. There is no logical reason. So just be like Pastner and just say it..... you are scared to lose to UT and lose recruits to UT!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
i just wasnt sure what you meant by he will be judged after the tournament. i dont live near memphis, or know anybody from memphis really so i dont know what the vibe seems to be out there.

i was just curious what people are saying out there about him after that recent loss at home.
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They want him gone, most anyway. They did before Saturday and that just made it worse and proved their point.
They know if he cant win now there is no way he will in the Big East. They wont have the luxury of piling wins up in c-usa to make the tournament. Well, at least that's what Cal did, Pastner hasn't really been able to do that. If they make the tourney this year, on record, it will be Pastners first. He has yet to get an at large bid to he NCAA tournament. He had to win the c-usa tournament last year to make it. If thats the case again this year, which one more lose would do, then yeah they want him gone. They want a year to get ready for big east instead of firing a coach right before their first year of big east play.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I highly doubt UT will want to line their pockets with a football game down there since they are ditching the hoops series. It would be stupid to play them there. We don't recruit great there anyway. Playing them every now and then down there isn't going to change it.
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Quite right. If they are ending the BB series, then I hope we promptly end the FB series or I am going to be highly disappointed. We gain nothing by beating them and the 1 loss in 96 was a major embarrassment, which they celebrated with no end. Cut the chit (Memphis State) in FB and we'll be much respected for doing so.
 
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CWGvol said:
They want him gone, most anyway. They did before Saturday and that just made it worse and proved their point.
They know if he cant win now there is no way he will in the Big East. They wont have the luxury of piling wins up in c-usa to make the tournament. Well, at least that's what Cal did, Pastner hasn't really been able to do that. If they make the tourney this year, on record, it will be Pastners first. He has yet to get an at large bid to he NCAA tournament. He had to win the c-usa tournament last year to make it. If thats the case again this year, which one more lose would do, then yeah they want him gone. They want a year to get ready for big east instead of firing a coach right before their first year of big east play.
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Oh please. The UTEP win was awful, but we still have an RPI of 24 or so. 1 more loss would put us at 28. You think we're missing the dance with a top 30 RPI?
 
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