Don't know if true but I'm not happy...(Memphis St series)

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bleedingTNorange said:
And they fell currently to 26, so another bad home loss would put them close to 40.

Btw though heres some teams with rpi inside 30 who may not make it if they lost or didn't win their tournament:

St Louis #22
Uconn #24
Cal #28
Colorado St #30
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St. Louis is tied for first in the A-10, 22-5 and is SOLIDLY in at this point. Average 8 seed in all 69 brackets on Bracket Project.

UConn is playing horrible down the stretch and has some terrible losses, but they're projected as a 9 seed right now in 67 of 69 brackets.

Cal is tied for first in the Pac-10 and is 22-6. Projected 9 seed and included in 69 of 69 brackets.

All of these teams are pretty solidly in right now. Where did you come up with the argument that they have to win their conference tournament to get a bid?

Colo. St. has several bad losses lately and is the only one of these teams on the bubble.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
St. Louis is tied for first in the A-10, 22-5 and is SOLIDLY in at this point. Average 8 seed in all 69 brackets on Bracket Project.

UConn is playing horrible down the stretch and has some terrible losses, but they're projected as a 9 seed right now in 67 of 69 brackets.

Cal is tied for first in the Pac-10 and is 22-6. Projected 9 seed and included in 69 of 69 brackets.

All of these teams are pretty solidly in right now. Where did you come up with the argument that they have to win their conference tournament to get a bid?

Colo. St. has several bad losses lately and is the only one of these teams on the bubble.
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Re read...I said if they LOST again and didn't win their conference tourney. Meaning if they lost another game they most likely would not e considered in the tournament or as in Colorado st case a bubble team. St Louis is probably still in with a loss, but they same can't be said or Uconn, Colorado st and cal depending on who the losse were to.

If any of those 3 lost they would still most likely have a RPI inside the top 30 but wouldn't be in the tourney, that's all I was saying.

You made the statement that no team with a RPI inside of 30 would be left out o the dance, as evidenced by Colorado st and any of the other 2 losing this isn't true. The RPI is a measuring tool, it's not a dead set rule that if you're this high you are automatically in.

Plus the original point was about Memphis if they suffered another bad home loss would still be top 30, that's incorrect. They are 26, fell 9 spots from previous game, another bad home loss and they'd be around 40. As evidenced by teams missing and being top 30, you aren't guarantee anything being a top 40 rpi team.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Re read...I said if they LOST again and didn't win their conference tourney. Meaning if they lost another game they most likely would not e considered in the tournament or as in Colorado st case a bubble team. St Louis is probably still in with a loss, but they same can't be said or Uconn, Colorado st and cal depending on who the losse were to.

If any of those 3 lost they would still most likely have a RPI inside the top 30 but wouldn't be in the tourney, that's all I was saying.

You made the statement that no team with a RPI inside of 30 would be left out o the dance, as evidenced by Colorado st and any of the other 2 losing this isn't true. The RPI is a measuring tool, it's not a dead set rule that if you're this high you are automatically in.

Plus the original point was about Memphis if they suffered another bad home loss would still be top 30, that's incorrect. They are 26, fell 9 spots from previous game, another bad home loss and they'd be around 40. As evidenced by teams missing and being top 30, you aren't guarantee anything being a top 40 rpi team.
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Again, what are you basing this on? All the teams except one were listed as 9 seeds or higher? You're saying with one more loss they go from 8-9 seeds to the NIT?

Also, what are you basing the projected RPI of 40 on? Seems like finishing with a 25-9 record would get us an RPI of around 28, from the projections.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Again, what are you basing this on? All the teams except one were listed as 9 seeds or higher? You're saying with one more loss they go from 8-9 seeds to the NIT?

Also, what are you basing the projected RPI of 40 on? Seems like finishing with a 25-9 record would get us an RPI of around 28, from the projections.
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Yes they are 9's give them each another loss and they then are most likely bubble teams, very simple. Especially if it was a bad loss for those teams at home, much like Memphis did. They go from in to being first four out, that's usually about how it works with 1 loss if you're already very close to the edge like a few of those teams are.

Very simple you said no teams under 30 wouldn't get in, currently Colorado won't get in. It happens.

And as far as Memphis rpi and the projections, they aren't projecting that as Memphis losing to a bad team at home. You can bet if they lose to another rpi 150 team at home their rpi wouldn't be As high as the projection says.

I'm not saying Memphis misses but another bad loss at home and it becomes a possibility, that's all. I was just correcting you saying if you're under 30 you get, that wasn't true.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Yes they are 9's give them each another loss and they then are most likely bubble teams, very simple. Especially if it was a bad loss for those teams at home, much like Memphis did. They go from in to being first four out, that's usually about how it works with 1 loss if you're already very close to the edge like a few of those teams are.

Very simple you said no teams under 30 wouldn't get in, currently Colorado won't get in. It happens.

I'm not saying Memphis misses but another bad loss at home and it becomes a possibility, that's all. I was just correcting you saying if you're under 30 you get, that wasn't true.
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What are you basing this on? You just keep saying it like it's gospel.

Memphis had a bad loss at home and went from being an 8 seed to a 9 seed (1 seed change). Why are you assuming that a loss to one of these teams would knock them 4-5 seeds down the latter?
 
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MemphisCanes said:
What are you basing this on? You just keep saying it like it's gospel.

Memphis had a bad loss at home and went from being an 8 seed to a 9 seed (1 seed change). Why are you assuming that a loss to one of these teams would knock them 4-5 seeds down the latter?
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In case your new to the selection process most big conference schools, ie Uconn, won't go as low as 14/15 as youre making it sound. If they are a 9 and lose they could fall to a 11 or even off the tournament that's all.

Once again, Colorado state is top 30 and not projected as in. That's all my point was that quite simply just because you're top 30 doesn't automatically get you in as you stated.

This also goes on my point as to why you have to play a good OOC in the big east, here's two resumes, one is in the dance the other not both big east teams...17-10(7-8) and 17-10(10-4)...
Uconn with the worse schedule is in and USF not because of their OOC, simple as that.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
In case your new to the selection process most big conference schools, ie Uconn, won't go as low as 14/15 as youre making it sound. If they are a 9 and lose they could fall to a 11 or even off the tournament that's all.

Once again, Colorado state is top 30 and not projected as in. That's all my point was that quite simply just because you're top 30 doesn't automatically get you in as you stated.

This also goes on my point as to why you have to play a good OOC in the big east, here's two resumes, one is in the dance the other not both big east teams...17-10(7-8) and 17-10(10-4)...
Uconn with the worse schedule is in and USF not because of their OOC, simple as that.
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???? Look, focus on seeds 1-12. 13+ are reserved for AQ.


You said that St. Louis, with one more loss, would have to win their conference tournament to get in. They're predicted as an 8 seed at this moment. If they're missing an at-large, that means they're missing the top 12 seeds. That means they would slide from an 8 seed to out, or the equivalent of a 5 seed slide. That's absurd.

As for top 30 RPI teams missing the dance, when was the last time that happened? I can think of maybe one instance. In fact, youve personally said in another thread that a top 45 RPI would virtually insure that UT went to the dance (which again, was absurd). But which is it? Are you basing any of this on any sort of evidence at all?
 
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MemphisCanes said:
???? Look, focus on seeds 1-12. 13+ are reserved for AQ.


You said that St. Louis, with one more loss, would have to win their conference tournament to get in. They're predicted as an 8 seed at this moment. If they're missing an at-large, that means they're missing the top 12 seeds. That means they would slide from an 8 seed to out, or the equivalent of a 5 seed slide. That's absurd.

As for top 30 RPI teams missing the dance, when was the last time that happened? I can think of maybe one instance. In fact, youve personally said in another thread that a top 45 RPI would virtually insure that UT went to the dance (which again, was absurd). But which is it? Are you basing any of this on any sort of evidence at all?
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Please quote where I GUARANTEE Tennessee gets in with a 45 rpi. You're missing one big component, if Tennessee finished at 45 that would also mean they played a great final 10 games which is what is largely measured by the committee. So yea IMO, i do believe if tennessee was able to close out the year strong and get to 45 or less they would get an invite, not the point we were discussing though.

I'm not going to get into details on each team and how far they'd fall, it all depends on who the loss was. UCONN WAS out but with on win got put in, what makes you say with one bad loss they wouldn't be right back out? Hell UCONN could lose 2 games and still have a rpi in the top 30 and probably not get in.

My point was very simple, you said that if your rpi is under 30 you automatically get in basically. That simply wasn't true and I was pointing out instances from this year alone that it could happen with, mainly Colorado State who right now isnt projected to get in. Then again, if they win their conference tournament this whole discussion wont really matter.

The whole original point you were talking about with the OP when i quoted was you were saying memphis would be still top 30 even with another bad loss. That is probably pretty accurate, although after the loss they would slide out of the 30's imo, and would be forced to have a decent showing in the c-usa tournament, if they lost early that could prove troublesome.

Either way, if Memphis is unable to make the tournament that is a monumental collapse against inferior opponents and imo would warrant pastner being canned, but thats just my 2 cents.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Please quote here I guarantees Tennessee gets in with a 45 rpi. You're missing one big component, if Tennessee finished at 45 that mean they played a great final 10 games which is what is largely measured.

I'm not going to get into details on each team and how far they'd fall, it all depends on who the loss was. UCONN WAS out but with on win got put in, what makes you say with one bad loss they wouldn't be right back out? Hell UCONN could lose 2 games and still have a rpi in the top 30 and probably not get in.

My point was very simple, you said that if your rpi is under 30 you automatically get in basically. That simply wasn't true an I was pointing out instances from this year alone.

That is all.
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So, UConn was out of the dance, but with a win over 100+ RPI, 11-16 Villanova, they have vaulted from out of the dance, over the 12 seed line, over the 11 seed line, over the 10 seed line and right into the 9 seed line? Again, that's ridiculous.

Again, historically, how many teams with RPIs under 30 have been snubbed by the committee?
 
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MemphisCanes said:
So, UConn was out of the dance, but with a win over 100+ RPI, 11-16 Villanova, they have vaulted from out of the dance, over the 12 seed line, over the 11 seed line, over the 10 seed line and right into the 9 seed line? Again, that's ridiculous.

Again, historically, how many teams with RPIs under 30 have been snubbed by the committee?
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you do realize uconn is a 11 seed right now right? not a 9, yet im the ridiculous one here.

as i said they are 1 bad loss away from being out of the tournament.

if you dont think as a 11 seed that one bad loss would knock you out of the tournament then there is no point in continuing this debate.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
No.

The Bracket Project's Bracket Matrix - 2012
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sorry but im gonna go by the guy who has gotten 1 wrong in 5 years and is known as the bracket expert, not a site named after a movie.

WOW!! even with your site they're a 10 not a 9, why lie?RIDICULOUS...and at that they are the LAST 10!!! so yea they are a 11 seed that can be agreed on, your site has them as the last 10 and lunardi has them as a 11.

sorry but neither way are they a 9 as you said.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
sorry but im gonna go by the guy who has gotten 1 wrong in 5 years and is known as the bracket expert, not a site named after a movie.

WOW!! even with your site they're a 10 not a 9, why lie?RIDICULOUS...and at that they are the LAST 10!!! so yea they are a 11 seed that can be agreed on, your site has them as the last 10 and lunardi has them as a 11.

sorry but neither way are they a 9 as you said.
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9.9, simply misread, but after last night's game, prob bumped down to 9 line. either way, they were obviously IN before the win last night.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
^^^ This'n doesn't know that Lunardi's bracket is part of the matrix.

Lulz.
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you clearly dont have a clue. the matrix takes an average from all 69, guess why uconn is only average by 67 brackets? because 2 dont even have them in the tournament.

next...why do you say they are a 9 when in fact, your site matrix, lists them as a 10?

next...yes they are a 10 accoriding to your site matrix, yet your site has them as the VERY LAST 10, and bama right behind them to push them to 11.

why do you avoid all these statements. you use your site and say they are a 9 which was flat out a lie, when in fact they are the VERY LAST 10. so as i originally said and it would have been much easier than to go through all this, they are a 11 by lunardi.

any more false statements you'd like to throw out there judge?
 
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MemphisCanes said:
9.9, simply misread, but after last night's game, prob bumped down to 9 line. either way, they were obviously IN before the win last night.
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9.9 doesnt mean they are a 9 seed do you not realize that? they are in fact the last 10 seed, you seem to continue to fail to realize that.

and no i dont think they'll be bumped up much, the teams right in front of them didnt lost last night so i doubt theyd have changed. also, lunardi insider bracket was brought out late last night im pretty sure so uconn as a 11 would have included last nights win.

and one more thing, you're gonna go by a site who averages brackets from anyone. you or i could create a website and contribute our mock brackets to these projections, you do realize that right? sorry but like i said before im going to go with the guy who has missed 1 team in 5 years, and is known as the bracket expert and is paid millions to do this. not some kid running a site that averages all the brackets of anyone that will give him their mock drafts, not exactly a credible source IMO.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
9.9 doesnt mean they are a 9 seed do you not realize that? they are in fact the last 10 seed, you seem to continue to fail to realize that.

and no i dont think they'll be bumped up much, the teams right in front of them didnt lost last night so i doubt theyd have changed. also, lunardi insider bracket was brought out late last night im pretty sure so uconn as a 11 would have included last nights win.
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Again with the lulz.

Lunardi is as fallible as anyone else. He mis-seeds teams every year. Connecticut was seeded as an average of a 9.9 by 68 other professionals prior to last night's win.

Deal with it.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Again with the lulz.

Lunardi is as fallible as anyone else. He mis-seeds teams every year. Connecticut was seeded as an average of a 9.9 by 68 other professionals prior to last night's win.

Deal with it.
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Bracketology: Under A Month to Selection Sunday | College Basketball by Collegehoops.net

college hoops insider upddated today, lists uconn as a 11, deal with it.

once again you fail to address why you felt the need to embelish? they are a 9.9 yes, but that also makes them the LAST 10 SEED, why did you continue to say that they are a 9?

oh ok so now you're gonna sit here and shoot down the most credible bracketologist there is, yet use a site that comprises data from people like me and you. makes sense.

typical memphis fan, embelish the truth just to be proven wrong, then make excuses and try to discredit the most credible source there is.

lulz :no:

ONCE AGAIN LYING 67/69, NOT 68, WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO MAKE THINGS UP???

im just gonna nip this in the butt, there is no arguing with a memphis fan especially one who is also a fan of the U. YOU ARE RIGHT, AND I ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER EXPERT ARE WRONG, UCONN IS AN UNDENIABLE 9 SEED AND IS WELL ON THERE WAY TO A 5 SEED!

:hi:
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Bracketology: Under A Month to Selection Sunday | College Basketball by Collegehoops.net

college hoops insider upddated today, lists uconn as a 11, deal with it.

once again you fail to address why you felt the need to embelish? they are a 9.9 yes, but that also makes them the LAST 10 SEED, why did you continue to say that they are a 9?

oh ok so now you're gonna sit here and shoot down the most credible bracketologist there is, yet use a site that comprises data from people like me and you. makes sense.

typical memphis fan, embelish the truth just to be proven wrong, then make excuses and try to discredit the most credible source there is.

lulz :no:

ONCE AGAIN LYING 67/69, NOT 68, WHY DO YOU FEEL THE NEED TO MAKE THINGS UP???

im just gonna nip this in the butt, there is no arguing with a memphis fan especially one who is also a fan of the U. YOU ARE RIGHT, AND I ALONG WITH ALL THE OTHER EXPERT ARE WRONG, UCONN IS AN UNDENIABLE 9 SEED AND IS WELL ON THERE WAY TO A 5 SEED!

:hi:
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Nip this in the butt. Lulz and more lulz.

Y u so mad, man? Tell me more about UConn being left out before last night's win or St. Louis missing the dance with one more loss.

I'll get the popcorn.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
Nip this in the butt. Lulz and more lulz.

Y u so mad, man? Tell me more about UConn being left out before last night's win or St. Louis missing the dance with one more loss.

I'll get the popcorn.
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why dont you try re-reading again. what i said about uconn was that they WERE out and that with one win they WERE in. i never specified that the game was last night that put them in, i simply said they had been ON THE OUTSIDE and witha win were in.

but anyways while you work on reading comprehension...

Please tell me more about how memphis wouldnt lose another c-usa game this year, how pastner didnt have bad losses at home, and how uconn is a 9 seed according to your site that has them as a 10.:popcorn:

oh and how memphis was clearly improving :eek:lol:
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Please tell me more about how memphis wouldnt lose another c-usa game this year, how pastner didnt have bad losses at home, and how uconn is a 9 seed according to your site that has them as a 10.:popcorn:

oh and how memphis was clearly improving :eek:lol:
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Lulz. Backpedaling and misdirection. I love it.

It's amazing how ruined you've become in this thread.

MOAR POSTS.
 
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