Dooley has done the heavy lifting

#26
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fade route said:
Recruiting is in the crapper

Vandy is winning more than UT

The team is absolutely leaderless on the field

We can't pull more than 80K for a non-conference game

Assistants leave on a yearly basis

Our coach is on the proverbial hot seat with every loss

We're setting records of futility every week


So no, we're not very stable right now.
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If there is a record for anything negative or utter failure for U.T. Football....Dooley's name is right beside it :rofl:
 
#27
#27
thebjd said:
We actually were and it wasn't good enough. It sure isn't good enough now.
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Dooley is the only coach to lose to Kentucky and not have a win against Georgia and South Carolina vs. his predecessors....even that :shaking2: in California accomplished that in his 1 season tenure.
 
#28
#28
The program appears to be clean, and he has filled the roster back up.

The talent level is decent, but not in the ballpark yet.

I think Dooley is recruiting 8 or 9 win talent, and he's a 7-8 win coach in his best years.

If UT wants to be better than that they have to change the equation.
 
#29
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thebjd said:
We actually were and it wasn't good enough. It sure isn't good enough now.
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Really?

Two years before Dooley got here

5-7 7-6

Two years under Dooley

6-7 5-7

We were winning? Where?

If we go 8-5, which is possible, it will be our best season since 2007. Sad, but true, but we need a step like that, even if it is a small one.
 
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#30
The only thing Dooley has proven he can do is recruit and build a roster. With the dumpster fire our program has been the last three years, the recruiting has been better than anyone could expect. Furthermore, unlike Kiffin's lost class, Dooley has recruited guys who have mostly stayed and kept their heads up during a horrible dry streak.

Look, this has not been a well coached program for three years. 13 men on the field, time foul ups during the UNC bowl game, surrendering to Kentucky, running every down against Florida, whatever is going with our DBs this year. Things have been bad. How much of that is Dooley's fault, the roster, or the DC is up for debate. I have a hard time blaming him from the 2010 and 2011 seasons except Kentucky.

We've been plagued with terrible luck, but honestly, with the roster we had, I don't think anyone could have won more games the last two years than Dools. This year is the one where I've gone from in Dooley's corner to indifferent to whether or not he stays.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
I don't think Sal is going to leave. However, I would certainly EXPECT a "realignment of duties" that puts him in a different role (LB coach? "sideline" coordinator? or something that is a lower role without a demeaning firing). If he goes, it will be as part of a total house cleaning.
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REALIGNMENT? I think there's an aspect to this that you are not considering.

We hired an OLB coach to be our DC. Then, in spite of his inexperience and the fact that we were giving him a job he hadn't really earned, we paid him a guaranteed $2.4M over 3 years! $900,000 a year makes him one of the top 2 or 3 paid assistants in the entire SEC.

So if we dropped him to any other position we'd be paying $900,000 a year for a freaking position coach. That would make us more of a laughingstock than we already are, not to mention we'd still have to pay a DC.

He got WAY overpaid to take on a HUGE job, and he failed. He has to go away. All the way away. You can't baby him for his feelings but keep paying him like he's a king. If he wants to drop to $250,000 a year then sure, make him a LB coach (still a promotion from OLB coach at Bama).
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
I don't think Sal is going to leave. However, I would certainly EXPECT a "realignment of duties" that puts him in a different role (LB coach? "sideline" coordinator? or something that is a lower role without a demeaning firing). If he goes, it will be as part of a total house cleaning.
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dish washa
 
#35
#35
BeecherVol said:
The program appears to be clean, and he has filled the roster back up.

The talent level is decent, but not in the ballpark yet.

I think Dooley is recruiting 8 or 9 win talent, and he's a 7-8 win coach in his best years.

If UT wants to be better than that they have to change the equation.
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Agree. My analogy is that Dooley is the temporary spare tire. He got us out of the ditch but we can't go more than 40 mph and it would be nuts to keep driving with it now that new tires can be obtained.
 
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Theshag said:
The only thing Dooley has proven he can do is recruit and build a roster. With the dumpster fire our program has been the last three years, the recruiting has been better than anyone could expect. Furthermore, unlike Kiffin's lost class, Dooley has recruited guys who have mostly stayed and kept their heads up during a horrible dry streak.
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His recruiting classes have been mediocre by SEC standards. He's brought in a whopping TWO 5- star recruits (DR & CP), one of whom just got here and the other got kicked out after wrecking the team chemistry for 2 years. True, most of his guys have stayed though.

Theshag said:
Look, this has not been a well coached program for three years. 13 men on the field, time foul ups during the UNC bowl game, surrendering to Kentucky, running every down against Florida, whatever is going with our DBs this year. Things have been bad. How much of that is Dooley's fault, the roster, or the DC is up for debate. I have a hard time blaming him from the 2010 and 2011 seasons except Kentucky.
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Not being a well-coached team is exactly, specifically the responsibility of the head coach. Not necessarily his fault, but definitely his responsibility. We're not paying him to be a substitute DC, we're paying him $2M to be a HEAD COACH.

Theshag said:
We've been plagued with terrible luck, but honestly, with the roster we had, I don't think anyone could have won more games the last two years than Dools. This year is the one where I've gone from in Dooley's corner to indifferent to whether or not he stays.
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1) Yes he has been the unluckiest son of a gun in ways, but then he lucked into a school that would pay a guy with a losing record $2M to coach a program that he is immensely unqualified to coach. It could be debated that is actually lucky, not unlucky. But he also seems to walk under the falling bird crap a lot.

2) No one could've beaten a sucky Kentucky team that had to use a WR as a QB?

BeecherVol said:
I think Dooley is recruiting 8 or 9 win talent, and he's a 7-8 win coach in his best years.
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I'm still waiting for him to win 7-8 games.
 
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#37
#37
ShoalCreekVol said:
So if we dropped him to any other position we'd be paying $900,000 a year for a freaking position coach. That would make us more of a laughingstock than we already are, not to mention we'd still have to pay a DC.
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He gets the money regardless. If we pay him $900K to coach LBs, it is cheaper than paying him $900K to sit around AND pay a LB coach $250K. It is economics. There is going to have to be a DC hired by either Dooley or his successor. That money is already spent.
 
#38
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OrangeByBirth said:
He gets the money regardless. If we pay him $900K to coach LBs, it is cheaper than paying him $900K to sit around AND pay a LB coach $250K. It is economics. There is going to have to be a DC hired by either Dooley or his successor. That money is already spent.
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That makes the stupidity of overpaying Sunseri even worse. Wilcox made $700K here and went ot UW for $750K. We replaced him with an OLB coach for $900K. Stupid stupid stupid.

On another note, I thought salaries were paid by the AD but buyouts were paid by boosters? I don't know for sure obviously but I have read that along the way. If true, the boosters would surely pay Sal to go away and let us use the $900K in AD money to pay for a real coach. Or two.
 
#39
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sjt18 said:
Rebuilt the roster from next to nothing. Check out the recruiting classes and kids getting beat every Saturday on D. The roster is slightly better but not nearly enough. He ain't rebuilt nuttin.

Was part of the fix for UT's NCAA problems. Uuhh, ok. Not sure what he did but thanks Dooley.

Restored discipline within the program... remember Fulmer's last few years when players were being arrested or booted? Players look at him like he's got small pox. But you're right, problems seem to be down. One for the Gimper.

Created mgt systems within the program. Not even sure how to address this one. What management systems are you referring to and how has it helped the team? I see zero results.

Restored integrity and respect within the program. Former players dislike him. Current players dislike him. Not working.


Problem is... he couldn't follow all of those program building things up with wins on the field once he had a roster good enough to get them. I understood the first two years of struggling and not beating anyone significant. But this year he had a good enough team to be no worse than a 3 loss team at this point. It is tough that he made a bad call hiring Sal... but it is what it is. The program needs to move on. Dooley is in over his head. Sunserei was just a catalyst.
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see above
 
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Theshag said:
The only thing Dooley has proven he can do is recruit and build a roster. With the dumpster fire our program has been the last three years, the recruiting has been better than anyone could expect. Furthermore, unlike Kiffin's lost class, Dooley has recruited guys who have mostly stayed and kept their heads up during a horrible dry streak.
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If the program has been a dumpster fire (is there another term so beloved by Dooley apologists as this one?) for three years, then it's all on Dooley. He's had plenty of time to fix what he inherited. It's funny how every coach before Dooley recruited at a higher level. But for 3 years Dooley can't help but get the 8-12th best class in the SEC. Sorry, you can't blame that on Kiffin or Fulmer. Plus, how do you account for the fact that recruiting is getting worse, not better?

Theshag said:
Look, this has not been a well coached program for three years. 13 men on the field, time foul ups during the UNC bowl game, surrendering to Kentucky, running every down against Florida, whatever is going with our DBs this year. Things have been bad. How much of that is Dooley's fault, the roster, or the DC is up for debate. I have a hard time blaming him from the 2010 and 2011 seasons except Kentucky.
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We've had different players and different defensive coordinators. The only constant is Dooley. He's also, you know, the guy who is getting paid the most and has the most authority when it comes to staff and personnel, so trying to make the argument that the chief responsibility for our performance lies elsewhere is just pure stupidity.

Theshag said:
We've been plagued with terrible luck, but honestly, with the roster we had, I don't think anyone could have won more games the last two years than Dools. This year is the one where I've gone from in Dooley's corner to indifferent to whether or not he stays.
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So you're arguing that no one other coach could have beaten Kentucky last year? How high are you? Dooley has never beaten a team with more talent but he has lost to teams with less talent. Why on earth would you think that any other coach would have the same record. Do you ever watch other teams play?
 
#44
#44
They basically said he bottomed the program out and there is no place to go but up. Add that to our great facilities, tradition and money and we have a great chance for a new coach.
 
#46
#46
SCowlsVOL said:
I agree to all of this. If we would have had a good DC we would have been good but for some dumb*@# reason he decided to hire a terrible dc.
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Where are all of the people on here who in Janaury said "We don't need Peter Sirmon or Justin Wilcox"
"We will get a better D.C. by the end of the week"

It doesn't look like it has happened.

We, for the most part, were happy to see all of the coaches leave EXCEPT Lance Thompson & Chuck Smith.

All the other coaches that have left, were talked about in a bad regard......

I believe that Chavis would be better than our current D.C. but we were glad to see him go.

I believe Wilcox would be better than our current D.C., but we talked badly aobut him as he left campus.

We talked badly about Trooper Taylor, after he left for Oklahoma State.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
I don't think Sal is going to leave. However, I would certainly EXPECT a "realignment of duties" that puts him in a different role (LB coach? "sideline" coordinator? or something that is a lower role without a demeaning firing). If he goes, it will be as part of a total house cleaning.
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I say why don't we wait until after the game Saturday before Conklin is declared the "annointed one" and Sal is demoted, fired, demeaned, decleated, and declared to be the worst DC in the history of Tennessee football and Coach Dooley is run out of town.
GO VOLS!
 
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#48
FLVOL_79 said:
dish washa
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"Hey vato we no want dat angry gringo neither ese!"

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#49
#49
fade route said:
Someone tell me how losing stabilizes a program.
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This has been explained so many times already on these forums but since you must have missed or didn't understand those threads here is another try: it is possible to lose close games to top 25 teams but still show progress by getting closer to winning as opposed to getting blown out every time like we did a year ago. The only game we lost decisively this year was Bama. Every other game we lost we were competitive deep into the 4th quarter. Also, our recruiting has gone well under CDD (Hunter, CPP, etc).
 
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