Dooley has done the heavy lifting

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sjt18 said:
There are many here who choose to think Dooley was evil incarnate. They can't be satisfied just saying that he could not coach on gameday/gameweek well enough to win games.

I don't know if their memories are just that short or if they simple choose not to remember how bad things were in every respect at the end of Fulmer's tenure.
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People don't say that because that's not a comprehensive list of his shortcomings as a big time college football coach. Not only could he not coach well enough to win, he couldn't recruit well enough to win in the SEC, made one of the worst assistant hires in the history of organized sports, couldn't maintain any semblance of discipline in the locker room, didn't command any respect from his players and just acted like a pompous jackass most of the time.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
The defense of Doofus was amazing. Some fans (a helluva lot more than I'd have ever thought) defended him like he was some kind of cult leader. It was amazing how they assigned zero fault on him on a regular basis no matter what he did/didn't do.
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This...it was pure mass insanity here for three years. The guy had no qualifications for the job. There was no precedent for such an idiotic hire to succeed. It was an almost certain failure from the get-go, and yet there was a constant stream of posters here (a majority, really) who maintained that Dooley could do no wrong, or rather, not a bad word could be said about him until some ridiculous allotment of time had passed. Meanwhile, there were folks here who insisted that Dooley was building a dynasty, that he was one of the top coaches in the SEC, that his early career was akin to that of Nick Saban, that any losses he incurred were the result of coordinated player sabotage, etc., etc.

Honestly, threads from the Dooley era need to be archived, preserved, and kept readily visible so we never forget how easily this fanbase can be conned by an incompetent athletics department.
 
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sjt18 said:
There are many here who choose to think Dooley was evil incarnate. They can't be satisfied just saying that he could not coach on gameday/gameweek well enough to win games.

I don't know if their memories are just that short or if they simple choose not to remember how bad things were in every respect at the end of Fulmer's tenure.
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I don't think anyone thought he was evil at all. Just way over his head and a total inept head coach. You and your ilk refused to acknowledge that FACT.
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GAVol said:
I think a lot of it was that whether they thought he was the guy or not, they just didn't want to go through another coaching change unless it was a last resort. I think the Missouri game last year pretty much clinched it for all but a few holdouts.
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I don't disagree. But the manner in which they assigned blame to everyone but him was absurd and kind of scary to be honest.
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bleedorange0037 said:
People don't say that because that's not a comprehensive list of his shortcomings as a big time college football coach. Not only could he not coach well enough to win, he couldn't recruit well enough to win in the SEC, made one of the worst assistant hires in the history of organized sports, couldn't maintain any semblance of discipline in the locker room, didn't command any respect from his players and just acted like a pompous jackass most of the time.
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Based on what? He leaves a team with more talent by far than the one he inherited. You can make a good player look pretty bad with terrible schemes and play calling.

The team was more disciplined than the last half of Fulmer's years and as disciplined as Kiffin has been anywhere. Off the field problems have actually been better than Lord Saban.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Got to love all the folks that keep harping on the guy and act as if he ran the a top program into the ground. Not like the program was on the downturn for many yrs prior to him coming along or anything. Just baffles me all the people that act as if there s*it don't stink.

Yall act like he was taking over Florida like muschamp did, and ran it into the ground.

Some of yall really do need to understand that the situation he walked into isn't cured with only X's and Os, but with actual business fundamentals. Many issues needed to be fixed first before the W/L column could be in the positive.
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Dooley's #1 fan shows up.
 
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GAVol said:
I think a lot of it was that whether they thought he was the guy or not, they just didn't want to go through another coaching change unless it was a last resort. I think the Missouri game last year pretty much clinched it for all but a few holdouts.
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Surely you remember the absurd argument that the fans were to blame and also the media or the asst coaches and always the players fault? Hell it became public what many of us said about how he treated high school coaches disrespectful by not even returning phone calls and we were called liars. Sjt and Oskie still claim he was a great recruiter. It's very bizarre.
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VolBeef88 said:
I don't disagree. But the manner in which they assigned blame to everyone but him was absurd and kind of scary to be honest.
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And the manner in which you attempt to deny anything positive is just as absurd. He had issues that caused him to fail. That does not mean that everything he did was bad or cannot help Jones succeed. DD was a jerk apparently and anal about some things in ways that drove everyone around him nuts. But that also means there are things that Jones won't have to take time to resolve... and buys him some good will.
 
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sjt18 said:
Based on what? He leaves a team with more talent by far than the one he inherited. You can make a good player look pretty bad with terrible schemes and play calling.

The team was more disciplined than the last half of Fulmer's years and as disciplined as Kiffin has been anywhere. Off the field problems have actually been better than Lord Saban.
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Yep he was a great recruiter alright. Just ask the HS coaches he wouldn't even return calls to or how about not recruiting one of the best players in the nation who grew up a Vol fan from the Chatt area? You can ask that kid, he now plays for OSU.
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sjt18 said:
And the manner in which you attempt to deny anything positive is just as absurd. He had issues that caused him to fail. That does not mean that everything he did was bad or cannot help Jones succeed. DD was a jerk apparently and anal about some things in ways that drove everyone around him nuts. But that also means there are things that Jones won't have to take time to resolve... and buys him some good will.
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Never said everything he did was bad. But what little good he did is by far overshadowed by the bad. Ask former players, former coaches and HS coaches.
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sjt18 said:
Based on what? He leaves a team with more talent by far than the one he inherited. You can make a good player look pretty bad with terrible schemes and play calling.

The team was more disciplined than the last half of Fulmer's years and as disciplined as Kiffin has been anywhere. Off the field problems have actually been better than Lord Saban.
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You are prob the best troll I have ever seen, most people are obvious when they troll, but not you. Lol

You have trolling down to a science.....


Mad respect brah
 
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Vol4life25 said:
You are prob the best troll I have ever seen, most people are obvious when they troll, but not you. Lol

You have trolling down to a science.....


Mad respect brah
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He's not a troll, he's just consumed with a failure of a coach and can't let him go or acknowledge just how terrible of a leader Doofus is/was. Doofus did a tremendous amount of damage to our program. Jones has done a lot to repair that damage but still has a long way to go to totally unfuk the Doofus debacle.
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sjt18 said:
I don't know if their memories are just that short or if they simple choose not to remember how bad things were in every respect at the end of Fulmer's tenure.
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Are you talking about going to the SEC Championship Game the year before he was fired or having a recruiting class that was ranked in the top 5 when they fired him?

In the terrible 2000s in which fans like you say Fulmer ran the program aground, the Vols were in the SECCG on three occasions.
 
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Dooley stabilized the program at the bottom of the SEC. You know, kinda like sludge that accumulates at the bottom of the creek is "stable" that's bout what Dooley did for UT.
 
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fade route said:
Someone tell me how losing stabilizes a program.
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...and losing 80% of your staff, yet still being allowed to hang around and give it one last "college try"....to make double-sure that he sucks as bad as we suspected...when he got hired 3yrs ago.

The thing I always had against the Dooley hire was that he was never, ever qualified to be on list of coaching prospects. La Tech took a major gamble on him since all he had ever been was a position coach.

At least Butch has a record to stand on. Dooley didn't have jack squat. And before some ignorant yahoos come along with that same "Nobody wanted the job" BS....you're dead wrong. As usual. Kevin Sumlin was interviewed and wanted the job. He was much more qualified to be a HC than Dooley.

Hamilton set this program back 3-5yrs by choosing Dooley. Sumlin comes into TAM and goes gangbusters...even beating Bama. Thank you, Mike Hamilton. You're like a damn virus that just never seems to go away.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
...and losing 80% of your staff, yet still being allowed to hang around and give it one last "college try"....to make double-sure that he sucks as bad as we suspected...when he got hired 3yrs ago.

The thing I always had against the Dooley hire was that he was never, ever qualified to be on list of coaching prospects. La Tech took a major gamble on him since all he had ever been was a position coach.

At least Butch has a record to stand on. Dooley didn't have jack squat. And before some ignorant yahoos come along with that same "Nobody wanted the job" BS....you're dead wrong. As usual. Kevin Sumlin was interviewed and wanted the job. He was much more qualified to be a HC than Dooley.

Hamilton set this program back 3-5yrs by choosing Dooley. Sumlin comes into TAM and goes gangbusters...even beating Bama. Thank you, Mike Hamilton. You're like a damn virus that just never seems to go away.
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I'm interested in what Texas a&m will produce once Johnny graduates or declared for the draft. Johnny is eligable this year as he is a red-shirt junior.

My belief is that he will declare, championship or no championship.
 
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ManningBerry#1 said:
I'm interested in what Texas a&m will produce once Johnny graduates or declared for the draft. Johnny is eligable this year as he is a red-shirt junior.

My belief is that he will declare, championship or no championship.
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I always find it interesting when people attribute Sumlin's success to Manziel. A year ago, pretty much no one knew who Manziel was, but plenty of people knew of Sumlin's success with quarterbacks like Case Keenum.
 
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oregonvol said:
I always find it interesting when people attribute Sumlin's success to Manziel. A year ago, pretty much no one knew who Manziel was, but plenty of people knew of Sumlin's success with quarterbacks like Case Keenum.
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If UT had hired him everyone on this site who now question his ability would do nothing but praise him. Sumlin is a solid coach. 1000 times better than the Doofus ever was or will be.
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VolBeef88 said:
If UT had hired him everyone on this site who now question his ability would do nothing but praise him. Sumlin is a solid coach. 1000 times better than the Doofus ever was or will be.
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Agreed. I wish the timing had worked for UT to have hired Sumlin or Freeze. I like them both.
 
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