Dooley has done the heavy lifting

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allvol123 said:
Anyone defending anything Dooley did is lost.
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I guess I'm lost then. He was far from perfect but he cleaned up a lot of mess and had the guts to kick off the team the SEC's leading receiver from the year before, which would have never been done by Meyer, Spurrier or Tubberville. I ran into him in Dallas in February, shook his hand and thanked him for all he did. If he had won LSU or NC in 2010, KY in 11, or Mizzou or Miss St in 12, probably 3 or those 5, history woulda been different.
 
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37L1 said:
6-7

5-7

4-7

Enough said.
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But, but, but you can't judge Doofus on his record... you can't blame him for ruining years of relationships with HS coaches across the nation or for dis respecting former players... it's the fans fault, the medias fault or the asst coaches fault. Doofus was perfect...
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orangebloodgmc said:
I guess I'm lost then. He was far from perfect but he cleaned up a lot of mess and had the guts to kick off the team the SEC's leading receiver from the year before, which would have never been done by Meyer, Spurrier or Tubberville. I ran into him in Dallas in February, shook his hand and thanked him for all he did. If he had won LSU or NC in 2010, KY in 11, or Mizzou or Miss St in 12, probably 3 or those 5, history woulda been different.
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He went winless in the SEC. Got pummeled by Vandy, lost to UK the year before and essentially sucked at everything he did.

That's your fault that you felt the need to shake his hand and "thank him for all he did." You might as well start shaking the hands of random people at this point.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
But, but, but you can't judge Doofus on his record... you can't blame him for ruining years of relationships with HS coaches across the nation or for dis respecting former players... it's the fans fault, the medias fault or the asst coaches fault. Doofus was perfect...
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I laughed
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
I guess I'm lost then. He was far from perfect but he cleaned up a lot of mess and had the guts to kick off the team the SEC's leading receiver from the year before, which would have never been done by Meyer, Spurrier or Tubberville. I ran into him in Dallas in February, shook his hand and thanked him for all he did. If he had won LSU or NC in 2010, KY in 11, or Mizzou or Miss St in 12, probably 3 or those 5, history woulda been different.
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Did you say thank you for ruining relationships UT built over the years with HS coaches across the country? Did you thank him for being the first UT coach to have 3 losing seasons in a row? Did you thank him for losing to Kentucky for the first time in almost 3 decades?
Just curious.
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VolBeef88 said:
But, but, but you can't judge Doofus on his record... you can't blame him for ruining years of relationships with HS coaches across the nation or for dis respecting former players... it's the fans fault, the medias fault or the asst coaches fault. Doofus was perfect...
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Let's not forget throwing players under the bus and not wanting to take responsibility when things went bad. The guy blamed everybody else when **** hit the fan and it hit the fan quite often.
 
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Dooley took a job no one wanted, and did his best. It just was not good enough. Nothing to hang yourself over. We are still Tennessee and we will be back.
 
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so why are people still defending this man after everything that has happened?.. he is gone. so we gonna have a 2,000,192 post thread on dooley also?
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Tyler Bray sound familiar?
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Not in the class of 2009, he doesn't sound familiar. Read my post carefully. The 2009 class was Kiffin's only full class. There was no quarterback taken in that class.

2010 is when Bray arrived. He was a Kiffin recruit who enrolled early. Dooley had 18 days to add to and hold together the 2010 class.
 
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nagle said:
so why are people still defending this man after everything that has happened?.. he is gone. so we gonna have a 2,000,192 post thread on dooley also?
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Repeated bashing will lead to some sort of defense. Even for a football coach who lost a lot of games & was largely inept.
 
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99gator said:
i still don't get the dooley left it better than he found it argument when most people outside of knoxville think it won't be until year 3 of the jones era before tennessee has an opportunity to factor into the sec east race.
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Some of those same people also said that it was at least a 5 year rebuilding job.
 
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PimpVol said:
1) Who wanted the UT job?
2) I feel he did his best.
3) It was not good enough.
4) No one should be hanged over a game.
5) You sir, are total bull****.
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Kevin Sumlin did, but we decided a losing WAC coach fresh off a 4-8 season was a better idea. The fact that people still act like that was a defensible choice absolutely blows my mind.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Your hero Doofus left us in MUCH worse shape than he found in all aspects of the program. Period.
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He isn't my hero, but he doesn't deserve the pummeling that he is getting from a bunch of idiots who fail to acknowledge the situation that he stepped into.
 
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1972 Grad said:
He isn't my hero, but he doesn't deserve the pummeling that he is getting from a bunch of idiots who fail to acknowledge the situation that he stepped into.
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He inherited a bad team. There, acknowledged.

He then made that team worse and worse every single year.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Some of those same people also said that it was at least a 5 year rebuilding job.
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in all honesty, i thought last year was the year.

most of those players had previous starting experience.

and tennessee had personnel that could create serious problems and mismatches. rogers getting kicked out didn't help, but it was still a good team offensively (obviously).

if the defense had been anything but god awful, they would have contended.

the 2012 vols should have been 8-4 at worst before playing a bowl game. the talent on that roster should have coasted to wins over mississippi state, vanderbilt, and missouri.

so i don't get misunderstood here, i thought there were roster issues and still do. but, when the offense is putting up 40 or more, a mediocre defense should be good enough. they were talented enough to be mediocre on defense.

now, the personnel that created mismatches offensively are gone.
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
I guess I'm lost then. He was far from perfect but he cleaned up a lot of mess and had the guts to kick off the team the SEC's leading receiver from the year before, which would have never been done by Meyer, Spurrier or Tubberville. I ran into him in Dallas in February, shook his hand and thanked him for all he did. If he had won LSU or NC in 2010, KY in 11, or Mizzou or Miss St in 12, probably 3 or those 5, history woulda been different.
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Does it really take guts to kick a guy off the team for failing 5-6 drug tests? Seriously, how does that take fortitude? The dude was a cancer...the whole program was a cancer because he catered to stars like this. He was gutless, imo.
 
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Pacer92 said:
Does it really take guts to kick a guy off the team for failing 5-6 drug tests? Seriously, how does that take fortitude? The dude was a cancer...the whole program was a cancer because he catered to stars like this. He was gutless, imo.
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Along with this, he had Patterson on campus at this point and probably had an idea of what he was capable of. So it wasn't some ballsy move to cut DR loose.
 
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allvol123 said:
Along with this, he had Patterson on campus at this point and probably had an idea of what he was capable of. So it wasn't some ballsy move to cut DR loose.
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this is correct,imo, he would have kept DR no matter what if Patterson was not on the team..imo
 
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VKAman said:
He inherited a bad team. There, acknowledged.

He then made that team worse and worse every single year.
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Both the 2011 and 2012 teams started out looking pretty strong the first couple of games( Cincinnati in 2011 and N.C. State in 2012). After running the gauntlet through the likes of Florida, Alabama, Georgia, So. Carolina, etc. and getting their brains beat out, the team got disheartened and quit. If that is Dooley's fault, then so be it. The teams had some quitters on it. Kiffin's recruits, by and large, had no character, and no guts. The ones who didn't quit the team, or got thrown off, quit on the field.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Both the 2011 and 2012 teams started out looking pretty strong the first couple of games( Cincinnati in 2011 and N.C. State in 2012). After running the gauntlet through the likes of Florida, Alabama, Georgia, So. Carolina, etc. and getting their brains beat out, the team got disheartened and quit. If that is Dooley's fault, then so be it. The teams had some quitters on it. Kiffin's recruits, by and large, had no character, and no guts. The ones who didn't quit the team, or got thrown off, quit on the field.
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wouldn't that be the coaches fault?
 
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