Dooley has done the heavy lifting

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1972 Grad said:
I agree with you. The Dooley haters will never give an inch. He is the first coach since Majors who left the program in better shape than he found it.
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He didn't improve anything with the football program. Three losing seasons in three years is not leaving anything in better shape. He hit rock bottom and stayed there.
 
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oregonvol said:
Ever hire a football coach at a major college program?

You can't take "risks" like hiring someone who is a proven loser in a mid-major conference.
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That hire was going to have a high level of risks because of the condition of the program. When you have a roster that almost assures you are going to lose many games the first two years and knowing the impatience of big time programs then you aren't going to attract the "in demand" coaches.

You might catch an up and comer before his break out. You might catch a coordinator who is truly ready for the next step up (though many are never ready). You might get a number of guys whose next best option is a program at the bottom of the ACC. What you are not going to get is someone from the "A" list.

I seriously doubt Jones would have taken the job 3 years ago.

Dooley took a risk that he was ready and able and lost. UT took a risk and lost. But don't pretend that there were a bunch of "sure bet" coaches banging on the door when he took the job because therer weren't.... not at any price. NO successful coach risks his career like that.

Dooley is unlikely to ever get another shot. If Oskie is right and he was/is a better coach than he was able to show at UT then he blew his career by taking on a task that the "elite" candidates avoided like the plague because they didn't think they could handle it.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I agree with you. The Dooley haters will never give an inch. He is the first coach since Majors who left the program in better shape than he found it.
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Tell that to the former players, recruits, media and even donors. He is a damned con man plain and simple.
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Saying things got better is a joke. So our benchmark is if a crappy coach does better than the last crappy coach he is successful. Amazing stuff.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Tell that to the former players, recruits, media and even donors. He is a damned con man plain and simple.
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1)Did Fulmer leave the football program in better or worse shape than he found it?

2)Did Kiffin leave the football program in better or worse shape than he found it?
 
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VolBeef88 said:
You stated he did better than Fulmer did in his last 3 years. And many of the 10 were already being recruited and that was his best year.
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His other two classes have left more contributing players on the roster than Fulmer's last few classes did. Fulmer was signing guys who could not stay eligible. The ones who could were for the most part not very talented.
I don't think for 1 second that he left UT in better shape. He'll, Jones had to mend fences with HS coaches, recruits, media and even former players.
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Reading comprehension just isn't your strong suit, is it? I said the ROSTER is better. If you cannot compare the '10 roster to this one and see that then no one can help you.

Neither Kiffin nor Fulmer had great relationships with instate coaches. Fulmer struggled with the media for most of his last few years. They thought Kiffin was a clown.

Jones isn't just trying to make up for Dooley... he's trying to make up for about 7 years of broken fences. Dooley was by far the poorest of the three. He made an early decision to keep everyone out. Maybe he wanted to open up later and things got going. Who knows? It backfired on him no matter. It contributed to his failure as a coach.

And.... he still left a better roster than he found.

BTW, some paid sports analyst plagarized my work here... and wrote a piece saying that UT was one of the programs a new coach should be able to have early success with because of the state of the program and roster.
 
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1972 Grad said:
1)Did Fulmer leave the football program in better or worse shape than he found it?

2)Did Kiffin leave the football program in better or worse shape than he found it?
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Fulmer left it in much worse shape... but that was a pretty long period of time and he did have significant success in between.

Kiffin left the program better than he found it. The EE's Dooley inherited were very good. Kiffin had run off alot of dead weight.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Saying things got better is a joke. So our benchmark is if a crappy coach does better than the last crappy coach he is successful. Amazing stuff.
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No. The benchmark is leaving the program closer to success than he found it. He left a better roster. If nothing else, that buys Jones a little more time... IF Jones can coach.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Tell that to the former players, recruits, media and even donors. He is a damned con man plain and simple.
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So,,,Mr Hindsight, since you are so knowledgeable, just when did a majority of the fanbase find out that CDD was not "very well liked" by HS coaches? I believe those revelations came about after his dismissal.

I'll admit that I had hoped CDD could turn things around, up until the Mizzou game. But you, and a few others - never gave the man a chance. I'm surprised that you are not on here *****ing about Coach Jones. But you'll start that after his first loss at UT. It's what your ilk does.
 
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sjt18 said:
No. The benchmark is leaving the program closer to success than he found it. He left a better roster. If nothing else, that buys Jones a little more time... IF Jones can coach.
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Wrong. Sometimes better isn't good enough. Like in Dooley's case. No where near the standard for my Vols that I expect. Not saying he didn't improve some but no where near acceptable. Hence his losing record which in no way showed any improvement which is where things are ultimately measured.
 
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KoachKletus said:
So,,,Mr Hindsight, since you are so knowledgeable, just when did a majority of the fanbase find out that CDD was not "very well liked" by HS coaches? I believe those revelations came about after his dismissal.

I'll admit that I had hoped CDD could turn things around, up until the Mizzou game. But you, and a few others - never gave the man a chance. I'm surprised that you are not on here *****ing about Coach Jones. But you'll start that after his first loss at UT. It's what your ilk does.
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You seriously held out hope until the Missouri game? That's insane.
 
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KoachKletus said:
So,,,Mr Hindsight, since you are so knowledgeable, just when did a majority of the fanbase find out that CDD was not "very well liked" by HS coaches? I believe those revelations came about after his dismissal.

I'll admit that I had hoped CDD could turn things around, up until the Mizzou game. But you, and a few others - never gave the man a chance. I'm surprised that you are not on here *****ing about Coach Jones. But you'll start that after his first loss at UT. It's what your ilk does.
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Some of us were saying it long before his sorry ass got the boot. But you boot lickers wouldn't buy it. Your hero sucked and you just lapped it up. Sheep
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Kiffin left it better than he found it.
Fulmer took it to new heights then fell off at the end.

Doofus just screwed it up all the way around.
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Dooley did design the new trash cans for Neyland, and made sure that no one was wearing the same thing that he was while in the office. He was a details man.
 
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Dooley is the worst thing to ever happen to UT football. He's the physical personification of the Jabar Gaffney phantom catch, the Kevin Cobb punt return, the Terrance Cody manboob blocked FG, and the Erik Ainge LSU interception.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Kiffin left it better than he found it.
Fulmer took it to new heights then fell off at the end.

Doofus just screwed it up all the way around.
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Kiffin left the program in a mess that contributed to our failures. Tell me which of Kiffin's heralded recruiting class of 2009 helped Tennessee the most. Was it David Oku, Bryce Brown, Nu'Keese, Janzen Jackson, or Jerod Askew? He signed no qb's in 2009. he signed a total of 3 offensive linemen , Hood, Revis, and Schofield. Which of these 3 anchored the U.T. line? Kiffin was a disaster, and left Dooley with 18 days to salvage an entire recruiting class.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Kiffin left the program in a mess that contributed to our failures. Tell me which of Kiffin's heralded recruiting class of 2009 helped Tennessee the most. Was it David Oku, Bryce Brown, Nu'Keese, Janzen Jackson, or Jerod Askew? He signed no qb's in 2009. he signed a total of 3 offensive linemen , Hood, Revis, and Schofield. Which of these 3 anchored the U.T. line? Kiffin was a disaster, and left Dooley with 18 days to salvage an entire recruiting class.
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Tyler Bray sound familiar?
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1972 Grad said:
Kiffin left the program in a mess that contributed to our failures. Tell me which of Kiffin's heralded recruiting class of 2009 helped Tennessee the most. Was it David Oku, Bryce Brown, Nu'Keese, Janzen Jackson, or Jerod Askew? He signed no qb's in 2009. he signed a total of 3 offensive linemen , Hood, Revis, and Schofield. Which of these 3 anchored the U.T. line? Kiffin was a disaster, and left Dooley with 18 days to salvage an entire recruiting class.
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You are mixing up a scum bag decent coach with a decent human being that sucked at coaching. Dooley was a loser coach plain and simple. Check out his wins and loss figures.
 
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i still don't get the dooley left it better than he found it argument when most people outside of knoxville think it won't be until year 3 of the jones era before tennessee has an opportunity to factor into the sec east race.
 
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