Dooley has done the heavy lifting

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VolsSportsFan said:
Dooley had no business being HC at UT; even when factoring in the "nobody wanted the job" bullcrap.
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Ever hire anyone?

There are risks every time. The risks with him were higher than with Jones. Jones has a record of success. At the time of his hire, many thought Dooley had the "promise" of success.... that he was an up and comer about to break out at LT.
 
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sjt18 said:
Ever hire anyone?

There are risks every time. The risks with him were higher than with Jones. Jones has a record of success. At the time of his hire, many thought Dooley had the "promise" of success.... that he was an up and comer about to break out at LT.
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Not the way I remember that. I remember La Tech fans being glad he was gone and they were dumbfounded as to why UT would hire him.
 
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sjt18 said:
Ever hire anyone?

There are risks every time. The risks with him were higher than with Jones. Jones has a record of success. At the time of his hire, many thought Dooley had the "promise" of success.... that he was an up and comer about to break out at LT.
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The fact that most had to Google his name should tell you he was not an up and comer. He's right where he belongs right now. As a position coach.
 
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sjt18 said:
Ever hire anyone?

There are risks every time. The risks with him were higher than with Jones. Jones has a record of success. At the time of his hire, many thought Dooley had the "promise" of success.... that he was an up and comer about to break out at LT.
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What??? Nobody knew who the hell he was.
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sjt18 said:
Ever hire anyone?

There are risks every time. The risks with him were higher than with Jones. Jones has a record of success. At the time of his hire, many thought Dooley had the "promise" of success.... that he was an up and comer about to break out at LT.
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Ever hire a football coach at a major college program?

You can't take "risks" like hiring someone who is a proven loser in a mid-major conference.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Yep he was a great recruiter alright. Just ask the HS coaches he wouldn't even return calls to or how about not recruiting one of the best players in the nation who grew up a Vol fan from the Chatt area? You can ask that kid, he now plays for OSU.
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You would appear more intelligent if you actually STOPPED with the straw man arguments.

I didn't say that he was a great recruiter. I said the roster was better now than when he took over. Kiffin is a significant part of the reason since he started the class that is Sr's now. However, the two years that were clearly Dooley's were more effective in helping the roster than any of Fulmer's last three classes. Fulmer for a long time was considered an elite recruiter.

Dooley did harm to the roster by quitting last fall when he recognized that his gig was up. That was classless on his part... especially considering the buyout he was about to get. Maybe he was a spoiled brat from the start and just put on a better face.... but he went out like one.
 
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oregonvol said:
Ever hire a football coach at a major college program?

You can't take "risks" like hiring someone who is a proven loser in a mid-major conference.
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The only thing I can figure is that he probably is a superb interview with a great pedigree. I really wonder how much due diligence happened as far as talking to people that worked with him as a head coach.
 
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oregonvol said:
Ever hire a football coach at a major college program?

You can't take "risks" like hiring someone who is a proven loser in a mid-major conference.
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Exactly. Doofus had a losing record at LaTech. But if you ask his lovers they'll tell you it wasn't his fault there either. You see, in the eyes of the Doofus lovers he's not to ever be blamed.
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GAVol said:
The only thing I can figure is that he probably is a superb interview with a great pedigree. I really wonder how much due diligence happened as far as talking to people that worked with him as a head coach.
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We now know there were none. Hamilton was in a tight spot and took a huge gamble. We suffered from it. He did very little "due diligence".
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sjt18 said:
You would appear more intelligent if you actually STOPPED with the straw man arguments.

I didn't say that he was a great recruiter. I said the roster was better now than when he took over. Kiffin is a significant part of the reason since he started the class that is Sr's now. However, the two years that were clearly Dooley's were more effective in helping the roster than any of Fulmer's last three classes. Fulmer for a long time was considered an elite recruiter.

Dooley did harm to the roster by quitting last fall when he recognized that his gig was up. That was classless on his part... especially considering the buyout he was about to get. Maybe he was a spoiled brat from the start and just put on a better face.... but he went out like one.
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Haha you couldn't be more wrong. You may wanna check before you type. He benefited from UT's past. He is HATED by HS coaches.
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Hamilton obviously did not do his homework on the Kiffin or the Dooley hires.....or the Todd Raleigh hire, or the decision to put the women's track coach over the men's program, or.....
 
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Backwards K said:
Hamilton obviously did not do his homework on the Kiffin or the Dooley hires.....or the Todd Raleigh hire, or the decision to put the women's track coach over the men's program, or.....
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Now I must admit that I was a fan of the Kiffin hire. In that one year, we looked pretty good on the field. Did wonders with Crompton, and Rico McCoy, Chris Walker, and Dan Williams played like beasts.

Recruiting that year produced a lot of busts, but with the state of Tennessee football being what it was, Kiffin probably did a lot of reaching with that class. Just a tough break, as Kiffin would have bolted for USC regardless of where he coached in 09.
 
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sjsmith87 said:
Now I must admit that I was a fan of the Kiffin hire. In that one year, we looked pretty good on the field. Did wonders with Crompton, and Rico McCoy, Chris Walker, and Dan Williams played like beasts.

Recruiting that year produced a lot of busts, but with the state of Tennessee football being what it was, Kiffin probably did a lot of reaching with that class. Just a tough break, as Kiffin would have bolted for USC regardless of where he coached in 09.
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I wouldn't call it a tough break but rather a blessing in disguise.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
He's right where he belongs right now. As a position coach.
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Yes, but couldn't he have gone to a team I don't like?

However, upon further reflection, he is Jerry's type of guy.. Woefully inept and can say "Yes sir Mr. Jones, may I get you another Mr. Jones" with near perfect dick-tion.....
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Haha you couldn't be more wrong. You may wanna check before you type. He benefited from UT's past. He is HATED by HS coaches.
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What are you arguing that I am wrong about? The roster is better now than it was 3 years ago. That's just a fact. Whether HS coaches learned to hate Dooley or whatever doesn't change that. Whether he benefited from UT's "past".... whatever you mean by that... or not. The roster is better and it got better on his watch... and those kids (even the ones from '10) signed to play for Dooley.
 
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sjt18 said:
What are you arguing that I am wrong about? The roster is better now than it was 3 years ago. That's just a fact. Whether HS coaches learned to hate Dooley or whatever doesn't change that. Whether he benefited from UT's "past".... whatever you mean by that... or not. The roster is better and it got better on his watch... and those kids (even the ones from '10) signed to play for Dooley.
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It got better but no where near what it should have been. Lost opportunity on kids he did not even go after. He was a pathetic recruiter.
 
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sjt18 said:
What are you arguing that I am wrong about? The roster is better now than it was 3 years ago. That's just a fact. Whether HS coaches learned to hate Dooley or whatever doesn't change that. Whether he benefited from UT's "past".... whatever you mean by that... or not. The roster is better and it got better on his watch... and those kids (even the ones from '10) signed to play for Dooley.
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I agree with you. The Dooley haters will never give an inch. He is the first coach since Majors who left the program in better shape than he found it.
 
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sjt18 said:
Ever hire anyone?

There are risks every time. The risks with him were higher than with Jones. Jones has a record of success. At the time of his hire, many thought Dooley had the "promise" of success.... that he was an up and comer about to break out at LT.
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Yes, several actually.

There are risks, and there are those you look at and immediately say "pass". Dooley only got this job because of his last name. His "success" at LT surely wasn't enough to merit the job. As far as people thinking he was an up and comer....who? I didn't seem him as a viable candidate on anyone else's list.
 
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#125
sjt18 said:
What are you arguing that I am wrong about? The roster is better now than it was 3 years ago. That's just a fact. Whether HS coaches learned to hate Dooley or whatever doesn't change that. Whether he benefited from UT's "past".... whatever you mean by that... or not. The roster is better and it got better on his watch... and those kids (even the ones from '10) signed to play for Dooley.
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You stated he did better than Fulmer did in his last 3 years. And many of the 10 were already being recruited and that was his best year.
I don't think for 1 second that he left UT in better shape. He'll, Jones had to mend fences with HS coaches, recruits, media and even former players.
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