Ducks sign Chip Kelly to new 6-year contract

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droski said:
the last time oregon fans thought they were going to become an elite program the guy who is currently the head coach at cal was responsible for said feelings. he left and oregon proceeded to suck for 5 years. i fully expect oregon to return to those levels under kelly. the fact remains that the school is still in eugene and oregon still produces very few div 1a players. show me a single elite program that fits that profile. you can't. location is the #1 by far predictor of where recruits go. all of phil's money doesn't change that.
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Now hold on small soldier. It isn't necessary to enter into full blind hate mode. Oregon isn't suddenly going to delve into the realm of mediocrity, they'll just never get over the hump that leads to being a perennial power. The Ducks will probably own the Pac until USC gets off of probation.

And no, location isn't. Look at Oklahoma. Doesn't much matter where you are, if you can recruit, you can recruit. It's as simple as that, and unless Kelly suddenly learns how to attract elite caliber players to Eugene on a consistent basis, they'll always be looked at in a similar light as Virginia Tech is out east. A pretty good team that'll never get it done.
 
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Bumi said:
Now hold on small soldier. It isn't necessary to enter into full blind hate mode. Oregon isn't suddenly going to delve into the realm of mediocrity, they'll just never get over the hump that leads to being a perennial power. The Ducks will probably own the Pac until USC gets off of probation.

And no, location isn't. Look at Oklahoma. Doesn't much matter where you are, if you can recruit, you can recruit. It's as simple as that, and unless Kelly suddenly learns how to attract elite caliber players to Eugene on a consistent basis, they'll always be looked at in a similar light as Virginia Tech is out east. A pretty good team that'll never get it done.
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you don't think oklahoma being extemely close to texas might be a factor in their recruiting? the overwelming majority of top recruits go to school within driving distance of their home. This is a fact, not speculation. This is the best oregon can be. right now. their recruiting has lagged behind cal, usc, and ucla for YEARS. This isn't a new situation. and it's ridiculous to argue they will own the pac-10. it's not a given at all they win the pac-10 THIS YEAR. i'd say 50/50 at best.
 
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droski said:
you don't think oklahoma being extemely close to texas might be a factor in their recruiting? the overwelming majority of top recruits go to school within driving distance of their home. This is a fact, not speculation. This is the best oregon can be. right now. their recruiting has lagged behind cal, usc, and ucla for YEARS. This isn't a new situation. and it's ridiculous to argue they will own the pac-10. it's not a given at all they win the pac-10 THIS YEAR. i'd say 50/50 at best.
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No, not really. Oklahoma State is close to Texas, and Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Huston are in Texas. And Oregon's close to California. Further than Oklahoma is from Texas, but the drive isn't too terribly long. As I said, some people can recruit, others can't.

I understand you disagree, but if Oregon beats Stanford this weekend, which they probably will considering the game's it's a home game, they'll win the Pac. USC is out of contention, UCLA is consistently bad, and Cal is Cal...
 
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Bumi said:
No, not really. Oklahoma State is close to Texas, and Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Huston are in Texas. And Oregon's close to California. Further than Oklahoma is from Texas, but the drive isn't too terribly long. As I said, some people can recruit, others can't.

I understand you disagree, but if Oregon beats Stanford this weekend, which they probably will considering the game's it's a home game, they'll win the Pac. USC is out of contention, UCLA is consistently bad, and Cal is Cal...
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oklahoma is 200 miles from dallas. closer than cal and stanford are to los angeles. eugene is 800 miles from los angeles. not even comparable and oklahoma has tradition. oregon does not.

even when usc sucked and oregon finished second in the country in 2001 they never had top-10 recruiting. there isn't a single example of a crappy program that has become a power that doesnt' have a recruiting base. not one. thinking you will go into southern california and regurally beat USC and UCLA and hell even cal for recruits is idiocy. You've neve done it before. EVER.
 
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droski said:
oklahoma is 200 miles from dallas. closer than cal and stanford are to los angeles. eugene is 800 miles from los angeles. not even comparable and oklahoma has tradition. oregon does not.

even when usc sucked and oregon finished second in the country in 2001 they never had top-10 recruiting. there isn't a single example of a crappy program that has become a power that doesnt' have a recruiting base. not one. thinking you will go into southern california and regurally beat USC and UCLA and hell even cal for recruits is idiocy. You've neve done it before. EVER.
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So? And you neglected to address Texas Tech's, Texas A&M, and Houston's recruiting woes. Tennessee is another state with little D1 talent, Michigan, and Pennsylvania as well. I'd be willing to bet if Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, or Pete Carroll were the HC at Oregon, they'd be bringing in top 10 classes.

When did I say Oregon was going to become a power? I've specifically been arguing against that. I don't recall claiming Oregon would be going to Southern California and out recruiting anybody neither.
 
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Bumi said:
So? And you neglected to address Texas Tech's, Texas A&M, and Houston's recruiting woes. Tennessee is another state with little D1 talent, Michigan, and Pennsylvania as well. I'd be willing to bet if Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, or Pete Carroll were the HC at Oregon, they'd be bringing in top 10 classes.

When did I say Oregon was going to become a power? I've specifically been arguing against that. I don't recall claiming Oregon would be going to Southern California and out recruiting anybody neither.
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tenn is also within driving distance of many div 1a recruits. also not comparable. michigan and pennsylvania have a crapload of div 1a talent. Texas Tech is in a ****hole town, like oregon. A&M should be better. Houston isn't in a major conference.
 
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He's got a helluva program out there. I don't blame him.

I am a believer in Oregon after that whooping they put on us.
 
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Nightowl said:
The mystique of USC might still be strong elsewhere but look at the facts people. They were 5-4 in the conference last year. They got blown out three times and stumbled to a 5th place finish and a nothing bowl.

Then they lost the best coach in college football.

Then they replaced said genius with Lane Kiffin... Whose greatest coaching achievement is screwing TN and going to USC. Nothing on the field yet to speak of.

Then they got hit with sanctions, losing a boatload of scholarships and banning them from bowl games and the conference championship game next year.

They were down before those last 3 developments. Then the other shoe REALLY dropped. I'm not saying they are gonna become Wazzou but how is that not a recipe for disaster?
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Best coach in college football? Sorry. Nick Saban > Pete Carroll.
 
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DuckinTN said:
Cal was never ranked higher than 6th last season, and that quickly ended with the 42-3 ass kicking that we levied upon them.

Seriously, why do you even have Oregon listed as one of your favorite teams? You never have a positive word for them.

We can become elite because we have the best offensive scheme in the country, the best facilities in the country, we can capitalize on SoCal recruits during a time where USC and UCLA aren't really relevant, and we also have some of the best assistants in the country (Coach Greatwood, Jim Radcliffe, etc.)
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Opinions of Oregon fans=Oregon has best of everything.
Fact=All the "best" and still not 1 national championship.
 
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droski said:
tenn is also within driving distance of many div 1a recruits. also not comparable. michigan and pennsylvania have a crapload of div 1a talent. Texas Tech is in a ****hole town, like oregon. A&M should be better. Houston isn't in a major conference.
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Dude, Michigan and Pennsylvania don't have a "crap load" of D1 talent. Look at the numbers.

And now that I think about it, you can throw Arkansas and Nebraska in their with the state schools that recruit pretty well with minimal in state talent.

Eugene is a Sh!thole? Compared to what exactly?
 
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compared to oregon they have a crapload of div 1 talent.

eugene is a ****hole compared to every other pac-10 school with the exception of oregon state, arizona, and washington state.

nebraska has tradition and i very much doubt they'll get back to where they were during the roid years. as for arkansas they aren't anywhere close to being a power.
 
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droski said:
compared to oregon they have a crapload of div 1 talent.

eugene is a ****hole compared to every other pac-10 school with the exception of oregon state, arizona, and washington state.

nebraska has tradition and i very much doubt they'll get back to where they were during the roid years. as for arkansas they aren't anywhere close to being a power.
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They have greater populations and that contributes to the number of D1 athletes, but per capita, they produce similar levels of talent.

What makes Eugene a sh!thole? Because from my perspective, it appears as if you're just spewing hate.

I'm not arguing who is and isn't powers.
 
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Bumi said:
They have greater populations and that contributes to the number of D1 athletes, but per capita, they produce similar levels of talent.

What makes Eugene a sh!thole? Because from my perspective, it appears as if you're just spewing hate.

I'm not arguing who is and isn't powers.
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who cares about per capita? how is that relavant? michigan and penn state have little competition for their players. oregon has some competition, but far fewer players.

it's a boring place in the middle of nowhere. it sucks
 
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droski said:
no they don't, cal's average star rating per player is higher than oregons. at best they've recruited the same and that is with cal having the worst facilities in the country. why? location, location, location.
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2010
11. Cal
13. Oregon

After enrolled rankings

11. Oregon
21. Cal

2009
32. Oregon 2.92
42. Cal 2.90

2008
19. Oregon 3.25
34. Cal 3.05

2007
11. Oregon 3.24
22. Cal 3.00

As I said, Oregon recruits better than Cal. "Location, location, location", doesn't seem to be doing much for the boys in Berkley.
 
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droski said:
who cares about per capita? how is that relavant? michigan and penn state have little competition for their players. oregon has some competition, but far fewer players.

it's a boring place in the middle of nowhere. it sucks
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It's an hour away from Portland and 3 hours away from Seattle. I assume you've never been to a University that was located in a college town?
 
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what's this after enrolled rankings garbage? and losing martin drops our class 13 places? really? i suggest you do that for oregon who has lost a lot of their top recruits to academics. and what site are you using?
 
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Bumi said:
It's an hour away from Portland and 3 hours away from Seattle. I assume you've never been to a University that was located in a college town?
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bakersfield is an hour away from los angeles. taht doesn't stop it from being a dump.
 
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droski said:
the weather in portland sucks and it's filled with dirty hippies. you must be kidding me. they do have excellent breweries though.
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You haven't been to Portland, or you simply don't know what the hell you're talking about.

LA's homeless population is a 5th of Portland's total population. Portland has excellent public transit, is far more affordable, green, and located in one of the top 5 most beautiful states in America. The winters are dreary, but the summer are to die for.
 
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i've been there twice. and i'm not talking about the homeless population (and obviously LA has a lot more people than portland). i'm talking about the under 30 population. it's cheaper for a good reason.
 
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