Ducks sign Chip Kelly to new 6-year contract

#51
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droski said:
i've been there twice. and i'm not talking about the homeless population (and obviously LA has a lot more people than portland). i'm talking about the under 30 population. it's cheaper for a good reason.
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And being cheaper, on top of being cleaner, safer(very low crime rate), prettier, and easier to navigate; Make it the superior city, and it really isn't close.

But by your logic, Dallas is one of the worst cities in America due to it's affordability.
 
#52
#52
it is absolutely not cleaner. unless you mean downtown LA. millions of people disagree with you.
 
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#54
#54
seems like a great analysis there :rolleyes:

sure the air is cleaner, but i'm willing to deal with the difference for 72 and sunny everyday and living next to the beach.
 
#55
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droski said:
seems like a great analysis there :rolleyes:

sure the air is cleaner, but i'm willing to deal with the difference for 72 and sunny everyday and living next to the beach.
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Like how you switched it up there. You swiftly get proven wrong, and you attempt to change the subject matter entirely. As it stands, you wont much find a list that doesn't have Portland as one of the top 5 cleanest cities in America.

I never argued which city had better weather. But that's about the only thing LA has over Portland. Though I'm not much interested into paying $3,000 a month on a 2 bedroom apartment so I can live close to the beach.

Portland has 3 negatives. The rain, no NFL team, and no MLB team. Luckily, it's sister city, Seattle, is a few hours away.

Portland >>>>>>> Los Angeles
 
#56
#56
that's your opinion and one which tens of millions of people disagree with. you couldn't pay me to live in portland.
 
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droski said:
that's your opinion and one which tens of millions of people disagree with. you couldn't pay me to live in portland.
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Please, find me one credible source that has LA outranking Portland in anything other than weather and night life. Most of all what I've listed; from cleanliness, superior public transit, affordability, etc, can be backed by statistics, making it a fact.
 
#60
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droski said:
who cares about per capita? how is that relavant? michigan and penn state have little competition for their players. oregon has some competition, but far fewer players.

it's a boring place in the middle of nowhere. it sucks
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WTF? Funny thing, I am only bored during the year when I choose not to go experience what the state has to offer. And yes Portland>>>LA, I just spent ten days there recently and you couldn't pay me to deal with that **** on a daily basis. What is bad here is enough for me. traffic, cost of living, and crime. The only thing Cali has over Oregon is the weather, plain and simple. Outsiders who have been to both states would agree with me more than they would with you imo.
 
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#65
droski is essentially right;

Eugene is a fine college town (regardless of what he says, it's a solid academic institution and I don't know anybody who doesn't have a good time living down there during college) but Oregon is nowhere near any sort of recruiting hotbed.

Look at Oregon State. Their fans by and large have accepted the fact that the best their program can be is a perennial 7-8 win team that relies heavily on JuCo transfers and local talent. They know that competing for the Pac-10 title, maybe getting to one Rose Bowl a decade is the absolute best that program can do, they accept it and after a few more years here will probably be willing to give Mike Riley the lifetime contract.

The Ducks, while having a better lot in life due to being in an actual town that has reason to exist outside of the university and due to Phil Knight's money and high-level cache with virtually every athlete in America, are never going to be in a position to regularly compete for national titles or have that expectation. Boise State's title bid notwithstanding, Alabama and Ohio State look like the only two world-beaters in this years class. Maybe that'll put the Ducks in position to contend for the national title.

I think they jumped the gun on giving Kelly the contract, but who knows. He may have been snatched up. Find the guy that can get them to a Rose Bowl once a decade, play in the Holiday Bowl every three or four years, and you've got your man. That's UofO's lot in life.

Everything else is in place, but the Pacific NW will never produce the local talent pool to constitute the backbone of a consistently elite national program like you'd find at USC, Texas, Ohio State or Florida.
 
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2010/11- 4-0 So Far, Ranked 4th in the nation

Before that...

2009/10- 10-3 (Rose Bowl Appearance)
2008/09- 10-3 (Holiday Bowl Win)
2007/08- 9-4 (Give us Dixon for the full year and we're likely 13-1 and National Champs)
2006/07- 7-5 (Rebuilding Season)
2005/06- 10-1 (Only loss was to the #1 team in the country)

If Oregon goes on to win 10 this season, something I don't think anybody on here would deny is a seriously plausible outcome... We're looking at 10 or more win seasons 4 of the last 6 years. And like I said, we were a torn ACL from making it 5 of the last 6.

That's not exactly a "perennial 8 or 9 win program."

Do I think we will compete for the national title year in and year out? Probably not. Do I think Oregon could win 10 and easily be squarely in the hunt for a Pac-10 championship every season for the next 5/6 years... yes.

I'm an optimist, Yeah. What fan isn't? But like I said in another post, my Dad and Grandpa were both UO Alums. They remember when 6-6 was the best Oregon could hope for year in and year out. Now, look at the record of the last few years: 7-5 was a cringe worthy blemish for Oregon fans. We've come a very long way. Why is it impossible that we could go a little further?
 
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milohimself said:
droski is essentially right;

Eugene is a fine college town (regardless of what he says, it's a solid academic institution and I don't know anybody who doesn't have a good time living down there during college) but Oregon is nowhere near any sort of recruiting hotbed.

Look at Oregon State. Their fans by and large have accepted the fact that the best their program can be is a perennial 7-8 win team that relies heavily on JuCo transfers and local talent. They know that competing for the Pac-10 title, maybe getting to one Rose Bowl a decade is the absolute best that program can do, they accept it and after a few more years here will probably be willing to give Mike Riley the lifetime contract.

The Ducks, while having a better lot in life due to being in an actual town that has reason to exist outside of the university and due to Phil Knight's money and high-level cache with virtually every athlete in America, are never going to be in a position to regularly compete for national titles or have that expectation. Boise State's title bid notwithstanding, Alabama and Ohio State look like the only two world-beaters in this years class. Maybe that'll put the Ducks in position to contend for the national title.

I think they jumped the gun on giving Kelly the contract, but who knows. He may have been snatched up. Find the guy that can get them to a Rose Bowl once a decade, play in the Holiday Bowl every three or four years, and you've got your man. That's UofO's lot in life.

Everything else is in place, but the Pacific NW will never produce the local talent pool to constitute the backbone of a consistently elite national program like you'd find at USC, Texas, Ohio State or Florida.
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Explain Washington's national title, then.
 
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Nightowl said:
2010/11- 4-0 So Far, Ranked 4th in the nation

Before that...

2009/10- 10-3 (Rose Bowl Appearance)
2008/09- 10-3 (Holiday Bowl Win)
2007/08- 9-4 (Give us Dixon for the full year and we're likely 13-1 and National Champs)
2006/07- 7-5 (Rebuilding Season)
2005/06- 10-1 (Only loss was to the #1 team in the country)

If Oregon goes on to win 10 this season, something I don't think anybody on here would deny is a seriously plausible outcome... We're looking at 10 or more win seasons 4 of the last 6 years. And like I said, we were a torn ACL from making it 5 of the last 6.

That's not exactly a "perennial 8 or 9 win program."

Do I think we will compete for the national title year in and year out? Probably not. Do I think Oregon could win 10 and easily be squarely in the hunt for a Pac-10 championship every season for the next 5/6 years... yes.

I'm an optimist, Yeah. What fan isn't? But like I said in another post, my Dad and Grandpa were both UO Alums. They remember when 6-6 was the best Oregon could hope for year in and year out. Now, look at the record of the last few years: 7-5 was a cringe worthy blemish for Oregon fans. We've come a very long way. Why is it impossible that we could go a little further?
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Because Oregon's recruiting isn't on par with the perennial powers.
 
#70
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milohimself said:
droski is essentially right;

Eugene is a fine college town (regardless of what he says, it's a solid academic institution and I don't know anybody who doesn't have a good time living down there during college) but Oregon is nowhere near any sort of recruiting hotbed.

Look at Oregon State. Their fans by and large have accepted the fact that the best their program can be is a perennial 7-8 win team that relies heavily on JuCo transfers and local talent. They know that competing for the Pac-10 title, maybe getting to one Rose Bowl a decade is the absolute best that program can do, they accept it and after a few more years here will probably be willing to give Mike Riley the lifetime contract.

The Ducks, while having a better lot in life due to being in an actual town that has reason to exist outside of the university and due to Phil Knight's money and high-level cache with virtually every athlete in America, are never going to be in a position to regularly compete for national titles or have that expectation. Boise State's title bid notwithstanding, Alabama and Ohio State look like the only two world-beaters in this years class. Maybe that'll put the Ducks in position to contend for the national title.

I think they jumped the gun on giving Kelly the contract, but who knows. He may have been snatched up. Find the guy that can get them to a Rose Bowl once a decade, play in the Holiday Bowl every three or four years, and you've got your man. That's UofO's lot in life.

Everything else is in place, but the Pacific NW will never produce the local talent pool to constitute the backbone of a consistently elite national program like you'd find at USC, Texas, Ohio State or Florida.
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DuckinTN said:
Explain Washington's national title, then.
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Washington's got titles from 1960, 1985, 1991, and 1992. Not exactly a model for consistency.

Oregon has won one rose bowl and that was in 1917. No national titles.

Milo seems to be spot on.
 
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Bumi said:
Because Oregon's recruiting isn't on par with the perennial powers.
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With recruiting that was nothing more then mediocre, we're now making a run for our third consecutive 10-win season. And now... the recruiting this last year and the year before that were some of the best classes in Oregon history. Those guys are still sitting on the bench right now behind the starters.

You guys keep talking about what happened in the 60's through the 90's like it's the model for everything to come. Ask schools like Notre Dame and Michigan if that's a great model for the prospects of success in the modern era.

Oregon's consistently improved from a losing program to a mediocre one to a good one to a really good program. There's literally no evidence or reason whatsoever to think that we're suddenly gonna fall off a cliff in these next few seasons.
 
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Nightowl said:
With recruiting that was nothing more then mediocre, we're now making a run for our third consecutive 10-win season. And now... the recruiting this last year and the year before that were some of the best classes in Oregon history. Those guys are still sitting on the bench right now behind the starters.
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Utah and TCU are also working in their 3rd consecutive 10 win seasons, BSU on it's 5th. All have lack luster recruiting classes and will never win a national title or be considered powers.

You guys keep talking about what happened in the 60's through the 90's like it's the model for everything to come. Ask schools like Notre Dame and Michigan if that's a great model for the prospects of success in the modern era.
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Who's attempted to use Notre Dame and Michigan as models of success?

Florida, Alabama, USCw, and LSU are models of success. Programs who were resurrected and lead to championships due solely to their recruiting efforts.

Oregon's consistently improved from a losing program to a mediocre one to a good one to a really good program. There's literally no evidence or reason whatsoever to think that we're suddenly gonna fall off a cliff in these next few seasons.
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No ones claimed they're going to fall off the cliff. They'll simply never win a title or be considered a power.
 
#73
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Bumi said:
Utah and TCU are also working in their 3rd consecutive 10 win seasons, BSU on it's 5th.
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Oh please. And if Oregon played their schedule's we would be working on our third consecutive 12 win season. Strength of schedule, anybody?

The fact that their from a non-BCS conference has far more to do with their lack of titles then anything else. Including recruiting.

Florida, Alabama, USCw, and LSU are models of success. Programs who were resurrected and lead to championships due solely to their recruiting efforts.
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And once upon a time all these schools were nothings and nobodies with no titles and pitiful recruiting classes being told by the powers that be that they would "never win any titles." They made the jump. So can Oregon.

No ones claimed they're going to fall off the cliff. They'll simply never win a title or be considered a power.
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To say flat out that Oregon will never win a title is just a ridiculous statement. I'm not guaranteeing we will either. But in the last decade Oregon put national title caliber teams on the field twice.

I grant you that both times we didn't get it done... In '01 the BCS screwed us out of a rightful place in the Title Game and in '07 Dennis Dixon went down. Recruiting had nothing to do with it.

In my book (and probably pretty much any reasonable college football observers), if your from a Big-6 conference and posting consecutive 10 win seasons... your a threat in the title race.

To say a team like that has no chance of ever winning a title is just ignorant.
 
#74
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Nightowl said:
With recruiting that was nothing more then mediocre, we're now making a run for our third consecutive 10-win season. And now... the recruiting this last year and the year before that were some of the best classes in Oregon history. Those guys are still sitting on the bench right now behind the starters.

You guys keep talking about what happened in the 60's through the 90's like it's the model for everything to come. Ask schools like Notre Dame and Michigan if that's a great model for the prospects of success in the modern era.

Oregon's consistently improved from a losing program to a mediocre one to a good one to a really good program. There's literally no evidence or reason whatsoever to think that we're suddenly gonna fall off a cliff in these next few seasons.
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And what do Notre Dame, Michigan, and Oregon have in common. A lack of big time in-state recruits and crappy weather. Alot the traditional big time schools are becoming a hard sell to recruits from places like Cali, Fla, Texas ect. These days, it's hard to be a perennial power without elite talent nearby, and warm weather.
 
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#75
10essee Refugee said:
And what do Notre Dame, Michigan, and Oregon have in common. A lack of big time in-state recruits and crappy weather. Alot the traditional big time schools are becoming a hard sell to recruits from places like Cali, Fla, Texas ect. These days, it's hard to be a perennial power without elite talent nearby, and warm weather.
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Check the recent recruiting rankings. Notre Dame has recruited well year in and year out for the last ten years.

Success on the field? Not so much. You can argue for days why that is the case but it makes the point that recruiting is not the sole factor in this game.
 
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