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#76
Nightowl said:
Oh please. And if Oregon played their schedule's we would be working on our third consecutive 12 win season. Strength of schedule, anybody?

The fact that their from a non-BCS conference has far more to do with their lack of titles then anything else. Including recruiting.
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Which is why BSU has beaten Oregon twice since 08?

And once upon a time all these schools were nothings and nobodies with no titles and pitiful recruiting classes being told by the powers that be that they would "never win any titles." They made the jump. So can Oregon.
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You'd have to go a long ways back to get to a time in which Alabama and USC were nobodies without titles.

Anyway, what do Florida, LSU, USC, and Alabama all have in common? They sit on excellent recruiting basses and consistently bring in top 10 classes. Each one of them has had multiple #1 ranked classes. Oregon has never even breached the top 10.

To say flat out that Oregon will never win a title is just a ridiculous statement. I'm not guaranteeing we will either. But in the last decade Oregon put national title caliber teams on the field twice.

I grant you that both times we didn't get it done... In '01 the BCS screwed us out of a rightful place in the Title Game and in '07 Dennis Dixon went down. Recruiting had nothing to do with it.

In my book (and probably pretty much any reasonable college football observers), if your from a Big-6 conference and posting consecutive 10 win seasons... your a threat in the title race.

To say a team like that has no chance of ever winning a title is just ignorant.
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It's not insane to claim a team who's never won or played for a national title, has only been to one rose bowl, and has a losing bowl record, will never win a national title. They simply can't compete with the nations best. They aren't talented enough.
 
#77
#77
Bumi said:
Which is why BSU has beaten Oregon twice since 08?
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You seem to make my point. They have far inferior recruiting and were still able to beat us. Yet they won't go to a BCS Title Game because they aren't in a BCS conference. Recruiting doesn't have nearly as much to do with it in these cases as conference affiliation. Hence why an Oregon team that loses to Boise State has better title hopes then they do.

Or a Utah team that smokes Alabama and goes 14-0 doesn't play for a title while a 2 loss LSU does. Different years, I know but the point is there. Conference affiliation is the only reason why those 3 schools don't get to go play for titles. Recruiting has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

You'd have to go a long ways back to get to a time in which Alabama and USC were nobodies without titles.
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You don't have to go that far back with Florida or LSU. Florida claims 3 titles. The first was 1996. Before that they were a team who had never won anything. Just like Oregon before the last ten years or so.

It's not insane to claim a team who's never won or played for a national title, has only been to one rose bowl, and has a losing bowl record, will never win a national title. They simply can't compete with the nations best. They aren't talented enough.
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The only reason we've never played for a national title is because of the BCS. 2001. Colorado smokes Nebraska in the Big 12 title game. Nebraska inexplicably goes to play Miami for the NC. Loses big. Colorado gets dominated by Oregon.

Right there is an example of a national championship game caliber team being put together by Oregon. How comes it didn't come together? The BCS. Recruiting didn't have a thing to do with it.

For you to say that there's no chance of it ever playing out again in Oregon's favor, especially when our best years/recruits/coaches/facility upgrades have come SINCE that game is just ridiculous.
 
#78
#78
Nightowl said:
Check the recent recruiting rankings. Notre Dame has recruited well year in and year out for the last ten years.

Success on the field? Not so much. You can argue for days why that is the case but it makes the point that recruiting is not the sole factor in this game.
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Notre Dame fans also spend a ton of money following recruiting services. If I ran Rivals/Scout I might be inclined to inflate their prospects a tad as well. Not saying this is true with every recruit they land, but if you look at the athletes they put on the field, they don't reflect their lofty ranking.

But, for the sake the argument, we'll call ND an anomaly. Replace them with a similar school like Nebraska. My point remains. Kids don't want to go to small, cold/wet towns in the middle of nowhere when they can go to USC, Texas, or UF and be closer to home. That's why schools in these place have been, and always will be powerhouses.
 
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#80
10essee Refugee said:
But, for the sake the argument, we'll call ND an anomaly. Replace them with a similar school like Nebraska. My point remains. Kids don't want to go to small, cold/wet towns in the middle of nowhere when they can go to USC, Texas, or UF and be closer to home. That's why schools in these place have been, and always will be powerhouses.
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Maybe we're talking about a different Nebraska but the one that I'm referring to was in the Big 12 Title Game last year and is 4-0 at #6 in the country right now. One spot ahead of UF and far, far ahead of USC.
 
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#81
Tennessee fans, where did the best quarterback your team had during the 2000s hail from? The only one that is currently on an NFL roster.
 
#82
#82
Nightowl said:
You seem to make my point. They have far inferior recruiting and were still able to beat us. Yet they won't go to a BCS Title Game because they aren't in a BCS conference. Recruiting doesn't have nearly as much to do with it in these cases as conference affiliation. Hence why an Oregon team that loses to Boise State has better title hopes then they do.
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And both, due to lackluster recruiting, never have and likely never will, win a title. Unless of course things change on the recruiting side.

Or a Utah team that smokes Alabama and goes 14-0 doesn't play for a title while a 2 loss LSU does. Different years, I know but the point is there. Conference affiliation is the only reason why those 3 schools don't get to go play for titles. Recruiting has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
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There's a reason non BCS teams don't get a crack at the title. Hawaii in 07.

There's a reason a two loss LSU team gets the nod over Hawaii. Their schedules is considerably more difficult than those of a Utah, Boise state, or Hawaii.

Utah has no gripe in 08. They clearly weren't as good as Florida.

You don't have to go that far back with Florida or LSU. Florida claims 3 titles. The first was 1996. Before that they were a team who had never won anything. Just like Oregon before the last ten years or so.
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Florida grew as the state population in Florida grew. The same with LSU. Once both schools established excellent recruiting bases, they flourished.

As I said, the difference between Oregon and Florida is recruiting. That's pretty much it.


The only reason we've never played for a national title is because of the BCS. 2001. Colorado smokes Nebraska in the Big 12 title game. Nebraska inexplicably goes to play Miami for the NC. Loses big. Colorado gets dominated by Oregon.

Right there is an example of a national championship game caliber team being put together by Oregon. How comes it didn't come together? The BCS. Recruiting didn't have a thing to do with it.

For you to say that there's no chance of it ever playing out again in Oregon's favor, especially when our best years/recruits/coaches/facility upgrades have come SINCE that game is just ridiculous.
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Ridiculous you say?

#1 Ranked Recruiting Classes

2010 - Florida
2009 - Alabama
2008 - Alabama
2007 - Florida
2006 - USC
2005 - USC
2004 - USC
2003 - LSU
2002 - Texas

National Champions

2009 - Alabama
2008 - Florida
2007 - LSU
2006 - Florida
2005 - Texas
2004 - USC
2003 - USC/LSU

Recruiting really doesn't matter huh?

Everybody has a BCS gripe. Auburn in 03. Doesn't change the fact that the record books don't record a NC. As I've said, Oregon is a good program, but unless they learn how to recruit they'll be looked at in a similar light as Virgina Tech is in the east.
 
#83
#83
Nightowl said:
You seem to make my point. They have far inferior recruiting and were still able to beat us. Yet they won't go to a BCS Title Game because they aren't in a BCS conference. Recruiting doesn't have nearly as much to do with it in these cases as conference affiliation. Hence why an Oregon team that loses to Boise State has better title hopes then they do.
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Or maybe they beat you because they are a decent football team that only has to gameplan for one or two big games a year. They usually also have ample time to do so.

Nightowl said:
Or a Utah team that smokes Alabama and goes 14-0 doesn't play for a title while a 2 loss LSU does. Different years, I know but the point is there. Conference affiliation is the only reason why those 3 schools don't get to go play for titles. Recruiting has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
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You're right conference affiliation (playing God-awful teams all year) is why these teams don't play for championships.

Nightowl said:
You don't have to go that far back with Florida or LSU. Florida claims 3 titles. The first was 1996. Before that they were a team who had never won anything. Just like Oregon before the last ten years or so.
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Florida also experienced a huge population influx in the 1960's and 1970's that led them to now have tons of recruits.
 
#84
#84
All of this bull**** wouldn't matter if we had the system that every other college sport has to determine a champion...


This may be a shocker....

A PLAYOFF!
 
#85
#85
DuckinTN said:
Tennessee fans, where did the best quarterback your team had during the 2000s hail from? The only one that is currently on an NFL roster.
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California why? You must be forgetting about a quarterback from Louisiana that I'm pretty sure is still in the NFL.
 
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#86
Nightowl said:
Maybe we're talking about a different Nebraska but the one that I'm referring to was in the Big 12 Title Game last year and is 4-0 at #6 in the country right now. One spot ahead of UF and far, far ahead of USC.
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Nebraska hasn't been relevant for nearly a decade. If they do manage to navigate their pathetic schedule unscathed, I'd be willing to bet they'll get their teeth kicked in against Bama in the NCG.
 
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#88
DuckinTN said:
All of this bull**** wouldn't matter if we had the system that every other college sport has to determine a champion...


This may be a shocker....

A PLAYOFF!
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How would a playoff benefit Oregon? They choke in big OOC games and have a losing bowl record.
 
#89
#89
Bumi said:
How would a playoff benefit Oregon? They choke in big OOC games and have a losing bowl record.
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Where in God's green earth did I say that it was going to benefit a specific team? Jesus, now you're just putting words in my mouth.
 
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#92
DuckinTN said:
Where in God's green earth did I say that it was going to benefit a specific team? Jesus, now you're just putting words in my mouth.
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So why mention it in a discussion about why Oregon won't win a title if it doesn't somehow increase their chances of winning one.

The Oregon's, Boise State's, Utah's, and TCU's of the world would not benefit from a playoff.
 
#94
#94
Bumi said:
So why mention it in a discussion about why Oregon won't win a title if it doesn't somehow increase their chances of winning one.

The Oregon's, Boise State's, Utah's, and TCU's of the world would not benefit from a playoff.
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That's what you think. I guess that's why Butler came a shot away from beating Duke for the title in April.
 
#95
#95
DuckinTN said:
It's debatable. Point nonwithstanding, Ainge was a damn good quarterback from....Oregon.
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It is 100% not debatable. Clausen won games he shouldn't. Ainge threw away an SEC championship and top 10 finish twice in one game.
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#98
#98
Didn't know you meant the 2000's for the NFL thing also. If you think Ainge was a better college QB than Clausen, then you're beyond my help. BTW, Ainge is listed as reserve/did not report on the Jets roster. Hardly something to brag about.
 
#99
#99
DuckinTN said:
That's what you think. I guess that's why Butler came a shot away from beating Duke for the title in April.
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Because Basketball, which is a sport of 11 man rosters, is really comparable to football, in which 75 man rosters are employed, making depth a necessity. :thumbsup:

Again, your logic is trash.
 
#100
#100
10essee Refugee said:
Didn't know you meant the 2000's for the NFL thing also. If you think Ainge was a better college QB than Clausen, then you're beyond my help. BTW, Ainge is listed as reserve/did not report on the Jets roster. Hardly something to brag about.
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I honestly never watched Clausen. You'd seem to think that the quarterback out of the two that ever made an NFL roster would be the better one (well, more talented, anyway)
 
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