Duke/UNC Official Thread 2021/2022 (K’s Last Hurrah Edition)

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volfanhill said:
Yea but not as lame as K having more everything then Dean. Oh and we know that "Carolina way" thing was shat.
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If his teams played defense the way he recruited numbers would be a little closer but those late collapses you could almost set your watch to.
 
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volfanhill said:
Yea but not as lame as K having more everything then Dean. Oh and we know that "Carolina way" thing was shat.
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And all this talent that K has had these past several seasons with no rings to show for it. Same criticism that Dean used to get.
 
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Regulator said:
And all this talent that K has had these past several seasons with no rings to show for it. Same criticism that Dean used to get.
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The only two teams that are comparable are the 84 UNC team and the Duke 99 team. No excuse for those teams not to win the title.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
The only two teams that are comparable are the 84 UNC team and the Duke 99 team. No excuse for those teams not to win the title.
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I still say if K bothered to recruit a legitimate but he could have stacked titles.

Just my opinion obviously and in no way do I know basketball.

And if Roy had consistency on the defensive end rather than those brain farts.

Sad really.
 
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Where is the heat between Reddick and Williamson coming from?

“Ive been his teammate so I can describe him as detached”
 
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Dudleys87 said:
I still say if K bothered to recruit a legitimate but he could have stacked titles.

Just my opinion obviously and in no way do I know basketball.

And if Roy had consistency on the defensive end rather than those brain farts.

Sad really.
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Dean, K and Roy should all have more titles. 86, 89, 99, 04, 19 all stand out to me for K. Dean probably had quite a few before I was born, but 84 was a great team. Some of those mid 90’s team were very good too. Roy really struggled winning the big one at Kansas and probably could’ve won 1 or 2 more at UNC.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Dean, K and Roy should all have more titles. 86, 89, 99, 04, 19 all stand out to me for K. Dean probably had quite a few before I was born, but 84 was a great team. Some of those mid 90’s team were very good too. Roy really struggled winning the big one at Kansas and probably could’ve won 1 or 2 more at UNC.
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And will forever be remembered for weak 3 point line defense…

One cost him another title and going back to back
2 that I can remember cost him wins over his rival
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Where is the heat between Reddick and Williamson coming from?

“Ive been his teammate so I can describe him as detached”
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I think he's a member of the media who's just being honest. He might be a little hot because he spent a year in that BS and ruined his perfect postseason appearance record.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Dean, K and Roy should all have more titles. 86, 89, 99, 04, 19 all stand out to me for K. Dean probably had quite a few before I was born, but 84 was a great team. Some of those mid 90’s team were very good too. Roy really struggled winning the big one at Kansas and probably could’ve won 1 or 2 more at UNC.
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I think UNC had a great chance in 2011 or 2012, whichever year it was that Kendall Marshall got hurt and we had to roll with Stillman White against Kansas. The 1994 Heels should have rolled also. Returned the majority of the championship team, plus Stackhouse, Wallace, and McInnis. Never found the right chemistry.
 
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The should’ve won more rings argument only gets dumber with each year y’all bring it up. Any coach with multiple titles exceeded any expectations. It’s not even fair to criticize Cal for only winning one. Only fifteen coaches can even claim multiple titles. 7 of those were before 1975.
 
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volfanbill said:
The should’ve won more rings argument only gets dumber with each year y’all bring it up. Any coach with multiple titles exceeded any expectations. It’s not even fair to criticize Cal for only winning one. Only fifteen coaches can even claim multiple titles. 7 of those were before 1975.
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I think it’s more of a discussion of the great teams each coach had. When I’m discussing this I’m not looking at K and being critical of him. Duke it won in ‘91 and they weren’t the best team, it’s debatable about 2010 and 15. I still think Duke was the best team in 99, 04 and 19, but it just didn’t work out.
 
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volfanbill said:
The should’ve won more rings argument only gets dumber with each year y’all bring it up. Any coach with multiple titles exceeded any expectations. It’s not even fair to criticize Cal for only winning one. Only fifteen coaches can even claim multiple titles. 7 of those were before 1975.
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How is it not? To recruit at such a high level for years and only able to produce one title.

Folks around here would want his head on a silver platter if he were at Tennessee. Doesent matter the sport.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
How is it not? To recruit at such a high level for years and only able to produce one title.

Folks around here would want his head on a silver platter if he were at Tennessee. Doesent matter the sport.
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Using “folks around here” as your defense should tell you a lot
 
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Huge game in Charlottesville for Duke tonight. Need this W.

Also, it just recently came to my attention that the East Regionals are in Philadelphia this year. If there is any possible way that the committee puts Duke as a 1 seed or UK 2, or Vice versa they have to do that right? K’s last season, 30 year anniversary of Laettner’s shot in Philly, they have to place them there for that potential matchup.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Huge game in Charlottesville for Duke tonight. Need this W.

Also, it just recently came to my attention that the East Regionals are in Philadelphia this year. If there is any possible way that the committee puts Duke as a 1 seed or UK 2, or Vice versa they have to do that right? K’s last season, 30 year anniversary of Laettner’s shot in Philly, they have to place them there for that potential matchup.
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They’re in the business of generating max revenue so I’d say there’s a good chance they’ll set it up that way if they opportunity is there.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Isn’t really a defense it’s more of reality. People jump off the cliff so easy these days.
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Agreed. And kind of my point. It’s incredibly hard to win the ncaa tournament. The number of years that the seemingly best team throughout the season wins it all is incredibly small. You could perhaps argue that Jay Wright has won the right percentage of titles, but I’m sure some Nova fans feel like he should’ve won more. Self, Cal, K, Smith, Roy, Izzo, Boeheim, Calhoun, etc all should have more based on seasons, Recruiting, and such. Few, Barnes, Huggins, Chaney, Majerus, Stevens, and whomever else I’m likely skipping all have arguments against them for never being able to win one. But it’s just hard. 64 teams enter, one team wins. Or however many it is nowadays with those weird play in games.
 
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volfanbill said:
Agreed. And kind of my point. It’s incredibly hard to win the ncaa tournament. The number of years that the seemingly best team throughout the season wins it all is incredibly small. You could perhaps argue that Jay Wright has won the right percentage of titles, but I’m sure some Nova fans feel like he should’ve won more. Self, Cal, K, Smith, Roy, Izzo, Boeheim, Calhoun, etc all should have more based on seasons, Recruiting, and such. Few, Barnes, Huggins, Chaney, Majerus, Stevens, and whomever else I’m likely skipping all have arguments against them for never being able to win one. But it’s just hard. 64 teams enter, one team wins. Or however many it is nowadays with those weird play in games.
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68 in total I believe
I see what your saying but it’s so hard for me to grasp why those guys didn’t get more. I guess there’s still some competitor in me somewhere. I’m happy for Roy and K but I’ll be the first to say it probably eats at them because X year didn’t pan out.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
68 in total I believe
I see what your saying but it’s so hard for me to grasp why those guys didn’t get more. I guess there’s still some competitor in me somewhere. I’m happy for Roy and K but I’ll be the first to say it probably eats at them because X year didn’t pan out.
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It’s natural to eat at the coaches themselves for not winning it during X season, but I can’t find any valid reason for fans to push against the likes of Roy, Izzy, K, Dean, Cal, etc based on their success.

Can you imagine how Tennessee fans would lose their mind with Tony Bennett style play and roller coaster ncaa tourney rides?
 
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volfanbill said:
It’s natural to eat at the coaches themselves for not winning it during X season, but I can’t find any valid reason for fans to push against the likes of Roy, Izzy, K, Dean, Cal, etc based on their success.

Can you imagine how Tennessee fans would lose their mind with Tony Bennett style play and roller coaster ncaa tourney rides?
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That’s because our fan base is insane. The ingame threads are maddening, especially the basketball ones. We’re passionate, but also very starved for success. That’s an incredible double edged sword .
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
That’s because our fan base is insane. The ingame threads are maddening, especially the basketball ones. We’re passionate, but also very starved for success. That’s an incredible double edged sword .
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Basketball threads are unbearable and the reason for that statement
 
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