Econ 101 for Presidential Candidates (and VN) - CATO

[midnight orange]

Here is simple exercise on free trade and the foolishness of tariffs. Take an item from your house such as a refrigerator. Mandate that we will build these in Tennessee. We will not outsource any labor or import any materials from outside the state of Tennessee. All the metal must be mined and refined inside the state. The rubber for gaskets must be grown in greenhouses and processed inside the state. Apply this to every little component that goes into this refrigerator. What do you think the quality and price of the refrigerator is going to be?
Aside from the issue of economic liberty (if you don't have economic freedom, your not free), free trade allows us to use comparative advantage. There may be less workers since we don't need to maintain a greenhouse to grow rubber but we are richer by having a better and cheaper refrigerator.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Link?

87%+ of the families affected by manufacturing job losses would still suffer if we were completely isolationist, because only a small fraction of the jobs are actually lost to outsourcing...and ECONOMISTS FACTOR THIS COST/BURDEN IN THEIR ANALYSIS OF FREE TRADE. You don't need to tell me about it. I know. The point is that there is still way more gained than lost.

The Offshore Outsourcing of American Jobs: A Greater Threat Than Terrorism | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

https://www.google.com/amp/www.usne...ost-us-32-million-jobs-since-2001?context=amp

(Note:3.2 million NOT 32 million)


NAFTA Made Outsourcing Easy

 

[n_huffhines]

Here is simple exercise on free trade and the foolishness of tariffs. Take an item from your house such as a refrigerator. Mandate that we will build these in Tennessee. We will not outsource any labor or import any materials from outside the state of Tennessee. All the metal must be mined and refined inside the state. The rubber for gaskets must be grown in greenhouses and processed inside the state. Apply this to every little component that goes into this refrigerator. What do you think the quality and price of the refrigerator is going to be?
Aside from the issue of economic liberty (if you don't have economic freedom, your not free), free trade allows us to use comparative advantage. There may be less workers since we don't need to maintain a greenhouse to grow rubber but we are richer by having a better and cheaper refrigerator.

Hang out here more.

 

[n_huffhines]

The Offshore Outsourcing of American Jobs: A Greater Threat Than Terrorism | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

https://www.google.com/amp/www.usne...ost-us-32-million-jobs-since-2001?context=amp

(Note:3.2 million NOT 32 million)


NAFTA Made Outsourcing Easy

I was asking for a link to lost tax revenue figures.

 

[Vol8188]

The Offshore Outsourcing of American Jobs: A Greater Threat Than Terrorism | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

https://www.google.com/amp/www.usne...ost-us-32-million-jobs-since-2001?context=amp

(Note:3.2 million NOT 32 million)


NAFTA Made Outsourcing Easy

The center for research on globalization.....that sounds completely unbiased. Who funds them? The labor unions?

 

[n_huffhines]

Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S., Not Too Many - WSJ

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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/shortage-of-mexican-workers-is-hurting-us-businesses-2016-11-25

 

[Vol8188]

Small Businesses Lament There Are Too Few Mexicans in U.S., Not Too Many - WSJ

If no subscription,

Shortage of Mexican workers is hurting U.S. businesses - MarketWatch

But some people don't like Mexicans! So clearly small businesses shouldn't have the right to freely hire whoever they choose

 

[Orangedogsrule]

But some people don't like Mexicans! So clearly small businesses shouldn't have the right to freely hire whoever they choose

I don't believe anyone has a problem with legal, documented immigrants.

I think a lot of folk have a huge problem with Americans who take advantage of illegal aliens, knowing they will work for very poor wages, to increase their own wealth. Those folk are no better thsn the meanest of the slave owners before emancipation.
They also have a huge problem with premedative criminals. The illegals who plan and execute the multiple crimes of illegal entry, illegal job acquisition, illegal SSN #', illegal housing, illegal.... you name it.

It's the illegals and their enablers we have a problem with. I don't care if they're Mexican, Chinese, Haitain, Austrogermanhungaroslovaks! Folk DON'T CARE about the demographic. They DO CARE about them being illegal. And those who hire them should pay such large penalties they wouldn't even consider breaking the law.

 

[n_huffhines]

I don't believe anyone has a problem with legal, documented immigrants.

Then legalize and document them. Problem solved.

 

[Vol8188]

I don't believe anyone has a problem with legal, documented immigrants.

I think a lot of folk have a huge problem with Americans who take advantage of illegal aliens, knowing they will work for very poor wages, to increase their own wealth. Those folk are no better thsn the meanest of the slave owners before emancipation.
They also have a huge problem with premedative criminals. The illegals who plan and execute the multiple crimes of illegal entry, illegal job acquisition, illegal SSN #', illegal housing, illegal.... you name it.

It's the illegals and their enablers we have a problem with. I don't care if they're Mexican, Chinese, Haitain, Austrogermanhungaroslovaks! Folk DON'T CARE about the demographic. They DO CARE about them being illegal. And those who hire them should pay such large penalties they wouldn't even consider breaking the law.

You compare free market capitalism to slavery? Everyone should be able to freely negotiate their own wage. They're not slaves, they're the only ones who are truly free.

Why should anyone be "documented"?

 

[Orangedogsrule]

You compare free market capitalism to slavery? Everyone should be able to freely negotiate their own wage. They're not slaves, they're the only ones who are truly free.

Why should anyone be "documented"?

If you call American citizens hiring illegal aliens "free market capitalism" you and I will never agree on anything.

I call it stone cold premeditated criminal activity and the perpetrators are subject to every law and the penalties for breaking them, up to arrest, prosecution, and incarceration and seizure of property as necessary to pay fines and back taxes.

But you just wanna say it's no problem, it's just YOUR business. I say, go find a country to live in that has no laws against the way you want to live. But if you stay in America, you may find yourself in a shieststorm of your own doing.

 

[n_huffhines]

If you call American citizens hiring illegal aliens "free market capitalism" you and I will never agree on anything.

How in the hell is it not? Legality has nothing to do with whether an action is free market behavior or not. We could ban food and then you would call food sales anti-free market?

 

[Orangedogsrule]

Originally Posted by Orangedogsrule:
If you call American citizens hiring illegal aliens "free market capitalism" you and I will never agree on anything.

How in the hell is it not? Legality has nothing to do with whether an action is free market behavior or not. We could ban food and then you would call food sales anti-free market?

What you describe is black market capitalism, and it is illegal.

We won't come to terms. You can rant all you want. The laws are there. IT'S WHY THEY ARE CALLED ILLEGAL ALIENS.

boo hooo hoo for you guys

 

[Vol8188]

Originally Posted by Orangedogsrule:
If you call American citizens hiring illegal aliens "free market capitalism" you and I will never agree on anything.




What you describe is black market capitalism, and it is illegal.

We won't come to terms. You can rant all you want. The laws are there. IT'S WHY THEY ARE CALLED ILLEGAL ALIENS.

boo hooo hoo for you guys

You seem to not understand the word "free".

 

[FLVOL69]

You seem to not understand the word "free".

And you seem to not understand the word "illegals "

 

[Vol8188]

And you seem to not understand the word "illegals "

You're right about that. The only purpose of government is to protect rights. Not take them

 

[tumscalcium]

You're right about that. The only purpose of government is to protect rights. Not take them

Here we go again with your one world order crap.

 

[Vol8188]

Here we go again with your one world order crap.

It's amazing how you can claim limited government equals one world government.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You're right about that. The only purpose of government is to protect rights. Not take them

So we should have open borders, no immigration laws and businesses should be able to hire illegal immigrants who make money here in this country and send it back home to their families? Therefore, taking money out of the US economy?

 

[Vol8188]

So we should have open borders, no immigration laws and businesses should be able to hire illegal immigrants who make money here in this country and send it back home to their families? Therefore, taking money out of the US economy?

Why would their families stay in another country?

 

[tumscalcium]

It's amazing how you can claim limited government equals one world government.

What the hell are you talking about?

No one "Claimed" that, DF.
There are separate countries. Illegals are here illegally if they're here illegally. Rights don't apply to people who have no business here in the first place. DF.

 

[tumscalcium]

Why would their families stay in another country?

Huff sucks at being Huff. You suck even worse at trying to be Huff.

 

[n_huffhines]

Originally Posted by Orangedogsrule:
If you call American citizens hiring illegal aliens "free market capitalism" you and I will never agree on anything.

What you describe is black market capitalism, and it is illegal.

We won't come to terms. You can rant all you want. The laws are there. IT'S WHY THEY ARE CALLED ILLEGAL ALIENS.

boo hooo hoo for you guys

Just stop posting when you have backed yourself into a corner. This reeks of desperation and is embarrassing.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Why would their families stay in another country?

Maybe they cant make the trip for whatever reason. So should we have immigration laws or not?

 

[Vol8188]

No one "Claimed" that, DF.
There are separate countries. Illegals are here illegally if they're here illegally. Rights don't apply to people who have no business here in the first place. DF.

That's 100% what you're claiming. I'm advocating that the government should have no right to tell anyone who they can or cannot hire.

You disagree with that. Therefore you're supporting increased government size and power and somehow claiming that anyone who disagrees with you supports a "one world government".