Edward Snowden: American Hero

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from the lavabit article

Earlier this year, Federal Bureau of Investigation general counsel Andrew Weismann said the US Justice Department wants to be able to decrypt all messages sent over the internet in real-time by the end of 2014.
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:no:
 
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Article is about the anniversary of Gulf of Tonkin Resolution. They freaking falsified information in order to justify war. Why do we trust these guys to wiretap us?

As we now know, the “second attack” never happened. Days after the attack, Johnson cracked, “Hell, those dumb, stupid sailors were just shooting at flying fish!” A National Security Agency historian later concluded that “N.S.A. officers had deliberately falsified intercepted communications in the incident to make it look like the attack on Aug. 4, 1964, had occurred, although he said they acted not out of political motives but to cover up earlier errors.”

In 2005, Freedom of Information Act requests and pressure from the press finally forced the release of classified documents on the Tonkin incident. The NSA resisted almost until the end, fearing, as one intelligence official told the New York Times, their release “might prompt uncomfortable comparisons with the flawed intelligence used to justify the war in Iraq.”
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Happy Gulf of Tonkin Anniversary (and Thanks, NSA, for Lying about It for 40 Years)! | Cato @ Liberty
 
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Hey remember that time when that dude exposed the NSA for spying:

The National Security Agency has broken privacy rules or overstepped its legal authority thousands of times each year since Congress granted the agency broad new powers in 2008, according to an internal audit and other top-secret documents.

In one instance, the NSA decided that it need not report the unintended surveillance of Americans. A notable example in 2008 was the interception of a “large number” of calls placed from Washington when a programming error confused U.S. area code 202 for 20, the international dialing code for Egypt, according to a “quality assurance” review that was not distributed to the NSA’s oversight staff.
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Yes, the NSA Violated Surveillance Privacy Rules
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Great retort...glad I could set the record straight .
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Please explain to me why you consider someone who leaked thousands of documents of classified information a hero?

Is it because it was the NSA?

If it had been someone who leaked thousands of documents from the DoD, would you have still called him a patriot?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Please explain to me why you consider someone who leaked thousands of documents of classified information a hero?

Is it because it was the NSA?

If it had been someone who leaked thousands of documents from the DoD, would you have still called him a patriot?
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It's about the context of the info he leaked...are you really that stupid or is it an act?
 
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FLVOL69 said:
It's about the context of the info he leaked...are you really that stupid or is it an act?
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I don't give a **** about the context of the information he leaked. He still committed treason. If a soldier leaked information about the whereabouts of military operations, he would be a traitor and would rightfully be court marshaled for it.

What's the difference?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I don't give a **** about the context of the information he leaked. He still committed treason. If a soldier leaked information about the whereabouts of military operations, he would be a traitor and would rightfully be court marshaled for it.

What's the difference?
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Those is positions of authority have an obligation and duty to protect the civil liberties and freedoms of the population. I would hope that others in his position would do the same if the roles were reversed. He isn't a traitor at all.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I don't give a **** about the context of the information he leaked. He still committed treason. If a soldier leaked information about the whereabouts of military operations, he would be a traitor and would rightfully be court marshaled for it.

What's the difference?
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Just forget it
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I don't give a **** about the context of the information he leaked. He still committed treason. If a soldier leaked information about the whereabouts of military operations, he would be a traitor and would rightfully be court marshaled for it.

What's the difference?
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But it wasn't about military maneuvers. It's about the things our government does with our name and money attached to it. It's about the fact that every single one of us could be black mailed at any time because of information that is taken from us without any warrant or reason. The backlash isn't about a guy who told secrets, it's the fact that our own government is a big lying "octopus" that tells people to do one thing while we do exactly the opposite. It's about being accountable. If you don't want the backlash from this type of stuff, stop doing this crap.
Snowden isn't a hero but he for sure isn't a traitor in my book. Our politicians are the traitors that continually sit before congress and the American people telling lies.
 
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Burhead said:
Those is positions of authority have an obligation and duty to protect the civil liberties and freedoms of the population. I would hope that others in his position would do the same if the roles were reversed. He isn't a traitor at all.
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If he just released the information to a ****ing friend who lived next door, we could talk. However, he is offering up the information in return for asylum. R.E., he is selling information to other countries. You see no problem with that?
 
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There is nothing patriotic about releasing information and then running and hiding to avoid being caught. Any ounce of patriotism he may have had disappeared when he started bidding the information for a country to take him in.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
If he just released the information to a ****ing friend who lived next door, we could talk. However, he is offering up the information in return for asylum. R.E., he is selling information to other countries. You see no problem with that?
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No. The reason his requesting asylum is because our useless government wants him in prison when in reality we should be pinning a medal on his chest for exposing our corrupt intelligence services.
 
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