Edward Snowden: American Hero

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#576
vol4eva said:
Fact is that he wants the hell out of Russia and is willing to give information to achieve it. I might have given him some respect had he only released domestic surveillance documents but that hasn't been the case. His actions have harmed US national security whether you want to admit it or not.
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Cool. What did he release?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
200k a year, versus potentially millions selling information?
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I'll take $200K a year and live in America rather than millions and be stuck in Russia or Ecuador.

Have you ever been to Russia? Its not worth living there even with millions of dollars.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I'll take $200K a year and live in America rather than millions and be stuck in Russia or Ecuador.

Have you ever been to Russia? Its not worth living there even with millions of dollars.
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I'd take millions to have to wear rabbit woven jackets
 
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vol4eva said:
Snowden has publicly offered Brazil information on NSA spying in exchange for asylum. If he's willing to do that, what do you think he's said to Russia and China? If those countries intelligence agencies haven't, at minimum, spoken to him then they are completely incompetent at their jobs.
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I'd bet the entire bank that Russia has ALL his documents. They wouldn't have let him stay there otherwise.
 
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vol4eva said:
Fact is that he wants the hell out of Russia and is willing to give information to achieve it. I might have given him some respect had he only released domestic surveillance documents but that hasn't been the case. His actions have harmed US national security whether you want to admit it or not.
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Tell me again what threat Brazil posed to American national security?
 
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govols/cc said:
Jujitsu
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#587
#587
GoBigOrangeUT said:
I'm not defending the NSA. I am denouncing what Snowden did. Big difference.
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I have to admit I'm really torn up on this one.

On one hand, I'm very happy he exposed this NSA program. I think it's a huge overreach, and I think it needs to be dismantled. I'm happy they have the capabilities, but I think it's a program that should be activated on US citizens only after probable cause has been found and only with a warrant. Never before that.

On the other hand, he gave away a trove of classified material to certainly Russia - and probably China. And those documents are much further reaching than the domestic NSA record gathering program.

He fits the definition of a traitor. And two wrongs don't make a right here.

I think he should have taken a different path in exposing this program. But I'm glad it's exposed. I vehemently disagree with it.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I have to admit I'm really torn up on this one.

On one hand, I'm very happy he exposed this NSA program. I think it's a huge overreach, and I think it needs to be dismantled. I'm happy they have the capabilities, but I think it's a program that should be activated on US citizens only after probable cause has been found and only with a warrant. Never before that.

On the other hand, he gave away a trove of classified material to certainly Russia - and probably China. And those documents are much further reaching than the domestic NSA record gathering program.

He fits the definition of a traitor. And two wrongs don't make a right here.

I think he should have taken a different path in exposing this program. But I'm glad it's exposed. I vehemently disagree with it.
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Pretty much my sentiments also.
 
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#590
Newly released documents indicate that along with the Five Eyes nations (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, UK, and US) there are nine Third Party countries in partnership with the NSA: Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, and Sweden. This group is known as SIGINT Seniors Europe (SSEUR) and they all send their staff to train in the US.
 
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vol4eva said:
Newly released documents indicate that along with the Five Eyes nations (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, UK, and US) there are nine Third Party countries in partnership with the NSA: Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Spain, and Sweden. This group is known as SIGINT Seniors Europe (SSEUR) and they all send their staff to train in the US.
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Was there ever really any doubt that we coordinated with our other, non-Anglosphere, European partners?
 
#592
#592
DC_Vol said:
I have to admit I'm really torn up on this one.

On one hand, I'm very happy he exposed this NSA program. I think it's a huge overreach, and I think it needs to be dismantled. I'm happy they have the capabilities, but I think it's a program that should be activated on US citizens only after probable cause has been found and only with a warrant. Never before that.

On the other hand, he gave away a trove of classified material to certainly Russia - and probably China. And those documents are much further reaching than the domestic NSA record gathering program.

He fits the definition of a traitor. And two wrongs don't make a right here.

I think he should have taken a different path in exposing this program. But I'm glad it's exposed. I vehemently disagree with it.
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Ditto for me. Im glad we know about the program but I am torn between is the guy a good whistle blower or a scumbag traitor.
 
#598
#598
DC_Vol said:
I have to admit I'm really torn up on this one.

On one hand, I'm very happy he exposed this NSA program. I think it's a huge overreach, and I think it needs to be dismantled. I'm happy they have the capabilities, but I think it's a program that should be activated on US citizens only after probable cause has been found and only with a warrant. Never before that.

On the other hand, he gave away a trove of classified material to certainly Russia - and probably China. And those documents are much further reaching than the domestic NSA record gathering program.

He fits the definition of a traitor. And two wrongs don't make a right here.

I think he should have taken a different path in exposing this program. But I'm glad it's exposed. I vehemently disagree with it.
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co-signed
 
#599
#599
DC_Vol said:
I have to admit I'm really torn up on this one.

On one hand, I'm very happy he exposed this NSA program. I think it's a huge overreach, and I think it needs to be dismantled. I'm happy they have the capabilities, but I think it's a program that should be activated on US citizens only after probable cause has been found and only with a warrant. Never before that.

On the other hand, he gave away a trove of classified material to certainly Russia - and probably China. And those documents are much further reaching than the domestic NSA record gathering program.

He fits the definition of a traitor. And two wrongs don't make a right here.

I think he should have taken a different path in exposing this program. But I'm glad it's exposed. I vehemently disagree with it.
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I'm not torn. He could have exposed the NSA, if that was his true intent, without giving away the farm to cesspools like Russia. The NSA domestic spying needed to be exposed as the burgeoning Big Brother affair that it's becoming and I, too, am appreciative. Had he stopped there, I'd jump on the hero bandwagon. I don't even a little bit buy that his course of action was the only one available.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm not torn. He could have exposed the NSA, if that was his true intent, without giving away the farm to cesspools like Russia. The NSA domestic spying needed to be exposed as the burgeoning Big Brother affair that it's becoming and I, too, am appreciative. Had he stopped there, I'd jump on the hero bandwagon. I don't even a little bit buy that his course of action was the only one available.
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We actually agree on something.
 
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