Edward Snowden: American Hero

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Would have been nice had he won the Nobel Peace Prize, but the winner was deserving. She called out Obama for drones, too, so it was a win either way.
 
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volprof said:
A Russian SVR agent winning the Nobel Peace Price would have been just as bad as Obama winning it.
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Yeah, cause the Russians took the information that Snowden revealed to everyone and then started multiple wars all over the world with the knowledge gained...
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Snowden says FACEBOOK and GOOGLE are dangerous services, and people should avoid Them.

I write this using a Google Chrome browser.
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We are all screwed my man. Just don't ever try to dig up our country's secrets on that browser. Your car might fly into a tree at 100mph while you're inside of it. It will be a total accident of course!
 
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n_huffhines said:
I know how distasteful it is to you when others oppose our authoritarian government, but the Nobel Peace Prize is supposed to go to the kind of people who oppose authoritarian government.
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Just messing with you Huff. I realize you believe Snowden did a good thing. :hi:
 
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n_huffhines said:
I know how distasteful it is to you when others oppose our authoritarian government, but the Nobel Peace Prize is supposed to go to the kind of people who oppose authoritarian government.
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I agree to some point, but Snowden is anything but a hero and certainly not deserving of a NPP. I understand we vehemently disagree.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Because?
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How many times do we need to go over TSS/Secret/Classified information and the release of such information. You can believe all day he is a martyr or a savior to the US citizen, but he broke the law and he should be punished for it IMO. He was charged with information and he divulged it to who he wanted to, no matter how you slice it.
 
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BearCat204 said:
How many times do we need to go over TSS/Secret/Classified information and the release of such information. You can believe all day he is a martyr or a savior to the US citizen, but he broke the law and he should be punished for it IMO. He was charged with information and he divulged it to who he wanted to, no matter how you slice it.
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It's very simple. The government was violating the rights of the people. This man simply informed us.

If you found out that US officials were raping small children, would a nondisclosure agreement keep you silent?
 
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BearCat204 said:
How many times do we need to go over TSS/Secret/Classified information and the release of such information. You can believe all day he is a martyr or a savior to the US citizen, but he broke the law and he should be punished for it IMO. He was charged with information and he divulged it to who he wanted to, no matter how you slice it.
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Yeah, he broke the law, but in this case it does make him a hero. F the law.

I don't think his breaking of the law has hurt the general American public in any way, and has resulted in less trust in our government and pushes for more transparency.

Does anybody know of any negative outcomes related to the information he divulged? Who was hurt by it?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, he broke the law, but in this case it does make him a hero. F the law.

I don't think his breaking of the law has hurt the general American public in any way, and has resulted in less trust in our government and pushes for more transparency.

Does anybody know of any negative outcomes related to the information he divulged? Who was hurt by it?
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And the law he broke was unconstitutional. Spying on Americans without a warrant is a complete violation of the 4th amendment.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It's very simple. The government was violating the rights of the people. This man simply informed us.

If you found out that US officials were raping small children, would a nondisclosure agreement keep you silent?
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That's such an enormous jump, its not really worthy of a response, but I'll bite. There are avenues to report criminal activity that relates to sensitive information and they are all very clearly laid out in EO 13536. Stop acting as though he had no choice but to go the route he did. He skipped over avenues A-Z.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Yeah, he broke the law, but in this case it does make him a hero. F the law.

I don't think his breaking of the law has hurt the general American public in any way, and has resulted in less trust in our government and pushes for more transparency.

Does anybody know of any negative outcomes related to the information he divulged? Who was hurt by it?
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I disagree 100%.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It's very simple. The government was violating the rights of the people. This man simply informed us.

If you found out that US officials were raping small children, would a nondisclosure agreement keep you silent?
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Yep. Bearcat got brainwashed during his time in the military. Everything the NSA is doing is illegal, and they don't plan on using the info they collect to go after terrorists.
 
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Vol8188 said:
And the law he broke was unconstitutional. Spying on Americans without a warrant is a complete violation of the 4th amendment.
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I understand the violation of the 4th amendment and I agree 100% with you on that, but the law he broke was certainly not unconstitutional.
 
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BearCat204 said:
That's such an enormous jump, its not really worthy of a response, but I'll bite. There are avenues to report criminal activity that relates to sensitive information and they are all very clearly laid out in EO 13536. Stop acting as though he had no choice but to go the route he did. He skipped over avenues A-Z.
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Yes, you are welcome to go through those avenues. Best case scenario you are out of a job and black balled from any other government job. Worst case scenario, you die.
 
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davethevol said:
Yep. Bearcat got brainwashed during his time in the military. Everything the NSA is doing is illegal, and they don't plan on using the info they collect to go after terrorists.
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First off, you can stfu about my military background or about what I did or didnt do.

Secondly, not one bit of that means a thing and doesnt excuse Snowden of not doing exactly what he was charged with doing. Like I have said before, there are several legal avenues to report things and none of those avenues include publicly releasing information....there's no excuse for what he did.

I am in no way absolving the Government from the charge of unconstitutionally monitoring their citizens. I hope the leaders that made that call to authorize that are brought before justice as well. But, this doesnt absolve Snowden or what he did IMO.
 
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BearCat204 said:
That's such an enormous jump, its not really worthy of a response, but I'll bite. There are avenues to report criminal activity that relates to sensitive information and they are all very clearly laid out in EO 13536. Stop acting as though he had no choice but to go the route he did. He skipped over avenues A-Z.
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Like those avenues would have done anything. The govt is aware of what they are doing. What he did needed to be done.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I understand the violation of the 4th amendment and I agree 100% with you on that, but the law he broke was certainly not unconstitutional.
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1. US government violates its constitutional agreement with the people.

2. The US government then asks everyone to keep quite about it and has them sign a memorandum saying they won't speak about it.

Replace "US government" with anyone and replace constitution with "law". Then tell me what court this would hold up in?
 
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