Edward Snowden: American Hero

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LouderVol said:
thats a different conversation. IF he had done that and nothing got released, then going to the press would be more understandable. (more not understandable) NOTHING he does/did excuses going to work for a foreign nation.
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He did go to the press first.
 
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Vol8188 said:
1. He would have been arrested if he worked in the U.S. Or extradited and then arested depending on what country he went to. hm he seems to be doing alright in RUSSIA. could have found a job there, or China who doesn't extradite at all and it is pretty clearly against the US

2. Write a book in the U.S.? See part 1. he has to write this book in the US? seems like he could do this anywhere

3. See part 1. plenty of countries that don't like the US. and he has said himself he doesn't want to deal with the mess he made. after he blew the whistle the government couldn't have made him disappear we would have heard about it. so either they disappear him and look even worse or the look contrite and hire him to fix it.

4. See part 1. good thing the US is the only country in the world where you can get a job, buy a home and try to live your life.

Seriously, how can you believe any of those to be viable options?
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i told you in my original post you can do those things outside of the US. except for 3.
 
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Vol8188 said:
So, what's going to happen to them? Is there a trial starting soon that I can tune into?

Many of you have called for snowdens head, meanwhile the real enemy still goes to work each day, still makes a couple hundred grand a year, and no one can even name him.

But we all know who Snowden is. Surely you can see the issue here? Where is the public outrage for the elected officials? It's not there.
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Two separate issues...............I agree that there should be more outrage with NSA and hopefully we will see something there, but this doesnt make Snowden a hero IMO
 
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Vol8188 said:
The word treason is rooted in the word treachery or to betray. By that definition this fits. The government betrayed both the constitution and the people.

The legal definition I have a problem with because it . essentially leaves out the possibility of treason on behalf of the government against the peopleWhich is exactly what occurred here. They betrayed the people and the constitution. You could even agree that for the "waging war" and "aiding enemies" portions of the legal definition. Because the iinformation they collected was used to illegally convict US citizens of crimes.
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That would be tyranny, learn the difference.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
that number is outrageous but consider the operatives and etc. that may have been exposed.....the guy is a coward for running if he truly believed what he was doing to be noble
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It's so stupid to say he's cowardly for running. Anybody with half a brain would run. There is nothing brave about staying on a sinking ship. It would be pure stupidity.
 
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hog88 said:
Nope, not the way they went about it. Further Manning didn't expose any war crimes.
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You were sure pumped up about the constitution yesterday, what happened?

Nah, killing innocents isn't a war crime at all. It's done with such regularity now, I guess it's considered old hat huh?
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
You were sure pumped up about the constitution yesterday, what happened?

Nah, killing innocents isn't a war crime at all. It's done with such regularity now I guess it's considered old hat huh?
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I do believe in the constitution, fully. If Snowden would have went about exposing the NSA through proper channels or heck even just through US media and NOT given info to Russia and China I would be in full support of him. If I was on his jury, I wouldn't vote to convict.

And yeah, I'm not that worried about collateral damage when trying to win a war. War is anarchy you know.
 
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n_huffhines said:
330 million lives. You got to be joking
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you miss the everything in between aspect? when it comes to national defense it effects all of us. and i am not talking about the NSA stuff, but whatever he has told the Russians to get them to accept him.
 
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hog88 said:
I do believe in the constitution, fully. If Snowden would have went about exposing the NSA through proper channels or heck even just through US media and NOT given info to Russia and China I would be in full support of him. If I was on his jury, I wouldn't vote to convict.

And yeah, I'm not that worried about collateral damage when trying to win a war. War is anarchy you know.
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Good to hear you wouldn't convict him, some of the others here want the guy killed.

Lulz on the last part. You'll figure out that definition one day.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Good to hear you wouldn't convict him, some of the others here want the guy killed.

Lulz on the last part. You'll figure out that definition one day.
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I would absolutely convict now. I believe most on here would be in support of him if he wouldn't have went and gave info to Russia and China.
 
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hog88 said:
I would absolutely convict now. I believe most on here would be in support of him if he wouldn't have went and gave info to Russia and China.
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Even though Greenwald maintains Snowden destroyed his copy of the info before going to Russia. Meaning the Sunday times article is bs.
 
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LouderVol said:
i told you in my original post you can do those things outside of the US. except for 3.
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I have no clue what you're complaining about. You're upset that he doesn't have a job that you know of in Russia? Who says he's not working and that he's not writing a book?

I don't understand.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I have no clue what you're complaining about. You're upset that he doesn't have a job that you know of in Russia? Who says he's not working and that he's not writing a book?

I don't understand.
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you were asking what else he could do besides going to work for a foreign government who is quite hostile to the US right now. I gave you options. he could have gone to work in Russia for what company and it not been as bad, thing is there Putin has his hands in every bit of business over there. you asked for possibilities and i listed them then you "defeated" my post by saying it wouldn't work in America after I said he didn't need to do that in America (except for option 3). you just refuse to admit he had other options.

he gave an interview where he talks about working for the Russian government. thats not an innocent jump.
 
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