Eight years and no titles...

[weembra]

Say what you want, but can't we all agree that we are better off than the team with a coaching carousel in Tuscaloosa? The landscape of college football is different than it was 15 years ago.

 

[NCGatorBait]

Even though I've been gone a lil while..it appears some things never change with the anti-Fulmer crowd. :mega_shok: Nice improvement for you true Vol fans this yr.

 

[OrangeSquare]

Even though I've been gone a lil while..it appears some things never change with the anti-Fulmer crowd. :mega_shok: Nice improvement for you true Vol fans this yr.

Thanks. :rock:

 

[volfanbill]

Even though I've been gone a lil while..it appears some things never change with the anti-Fulmer crowd. :mega_shok: Nice improvement for you true Vol fans this yr.

how many times must we walk this road?

 

[kptvol]

Even though I've been gone a lil while..it appears some things never change with the anti-Fulmer crowd. :mega_shok: Nice improvement for you true Vol fans this yr.

I guess all those Gators that wanted to get rid of Ron Zook weren't true Gator fans.

 

[NCGatorBait]

I guess all those Gators that wanted to get rid of Ron Zook weren't true Gator fans.

Is it really possible to even compare the two coaches and scenarios?? Come on man :nono: not even close to the same thing.

 

[volfanbill]

Is it really possible to even compare the two coaches and scenarios?? Come on man :nono: not even close to the same thing.

exactly one coach gets to live off what he did this one time 8 years ago. i say keep fulmer til 2050! i don't want to win another title til i'm too old to enjoy it!!!!

 

[kptvol]

Is it really possible to even compare the two coaches and scenarios?? Come on man :nono: not even close to the same thing.

I didn't realize you got to decide what is and is not acceptable behavior for fans. Wasn't Zook a Gator coach before he became head coach? Defensive Coordinator maybe? Anyway, you guys treated him like crap and then gave him the boot. I laugh at a Florida fan admonishing a UT fan for not being true. Why don't you go fill your squirt gun up with urine?

 

[NCGatorBait]

I didn't realize you got to decide what is and is not acceptable behavior for fans. Wasn't Zook a Gator coach before he became head coach? Defensive Coordinator maybe? Anyway, you guys treated him like crap and then gave him the boot. I laugh at a Florida fan admonishing a UT fan for not being true. Why don't you go fill your squirt gun up with urine?

I'm not deciding anything...ask Zookers accountant if he was treated well...also I'd love to thank him for the National Championship he won.

 

[kptvol]

I'm not deciding anything...ask Zookers accountant if he was treated well...also I'd love to thank him for the National Championship he won.

Gators were calling for his head his first season. That's not exactly an ideal situation for success. You might also recall that you only won one national championship EVER and before the coach that won it arrived, you were nothing special.

 

[Vol423]

I'm not deciding anything...ask Zookers accountant if he was treated well...also I'd love to thank him for the National Championship he won.

If you think that Zook's accountant thinks he was treated well, you should talk to Fulmer's accountant. Fulmer must have one of the better dollar to win ratios in college athletics over the last four seasons.

 

[NCGatorBait]

Gators were calling for his head his first season. That's not exactly an ideal situation for success. You might also recall that you only won one national championship EVER and before the coach that won it arrived, you were nothing special.

Not first yr....and thanks for proving my point.

 

[Vol423]

You might also recall that you only won one national championship EVER and before the coach that won it arrived, you were nothing special.

...or even respectable.

 

[kptvol]

Not first yr....and thanks for proving my point.

Was the point that Zook won the same number of national championships as all University of Florida coaches not named Steve Spurrier combined?

 

[NCGatorBait]

Was the point that Zook won the same number of national championships as all University of Florida coaches not named Steve Spurrier combined?

you'll figure it out eventually :thumbsup:

 

[volbreaker]

USC plays in one of the weakest conferences in the country. They lucked out in 2003 and did not have to play LSU. They lucked out again in 2004 and did not have to play Auburn. They lost in 2005.

I have been in minnesota on business and am just catching up. I have'nt read past here and won't have a chance to respond myself......so THANKS AV!!

 

[volbreaker]

I do not want to debate the stengths of the conferences ut you brought it up. The way I view the pac 10 is a whole lot of offense with average at best defense.....

However, USC did manhandle Arkansas who blew the Vols off the field. USC also waylaid the Domers....

What will you say if the Trojans end up playing Ohio State in the Nt Ch and win??????

Different team with a more mature quarteback AND MOSTLY McFadden.....come on!!

 

[volbreaker]

You mean 9-3? Where we are right now is where we were at the end of the CJM era. Coach Fulmer took over a top 15-20 program and, for a few years during the mid 90s, elevated it to a top 5 program. Since then it has gone back to being a top 15-20 program again. Does that mean that we need a new coach? IMO not right now, but I also thought it was wrong to run off Coach Majors.

You are joking ...right??

 

[GAMECOCK]

which SEC team came the closest to beating Arkansas this year?

 

[volfanbill]

let's see. LSU beat them, bama lost by one, vandy lost by two

 

[volmanjr]

which SEC team came the closest to beating Arkansas this year?

Got a hores shoe or hand grenade? last time I looked those were the only 2 sports where close counted. :whistling:

 

[volfanbill]

Got a hores shoe or hand grenade? last time I looked those were the only 2 sports where close counted. :whistling:

i'm merely guessing, but did he want me to actually say South Calilacky?

 

[allvol]

You mean 9-3? Where we are right now is where we were at the end of the CJM era. Coach Fulmer took over a top 15-20 program and, for a few years during the mid 90s, elevated it to a top 5 program. Since then it has gone back to being a top 15-20 program again. Does that mean that we need a new coach? IMO not right now, but I also thought it was wrong to run off Coach Majors.

The Vols got into a pattern under Johnny Majors of only being ranked every other year. Only in the early 90's did he constantly stay ranked every season.

 

[allvol]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. If the main knock on Fulmer is a lack of championships, then consider that CJM had 3 SEC championships in his last 7 full seasons, including back to back in 89 and 90.

Also consider that in 2 of those seasons, Florida had a better conference record but was on probation. The other season was a co-championship.

 

[allvol]

That's a good point.

By far the best thing Majors did was hire good assistant coaches. He had staffs that were superior to anything CPF has assembled, esp. if you look at the demand for coaches off those staffs. It seems no one else ever wants our coaches -- the REAL reason we've had such "continuity."

But I think it's fair to say that CPF elevated the general stature of the program beyond what CJM had done to that point.

Some of Fulmer's hires right after he got the job have gone on to success in the NFL. However, lately, his assistants are either still at UT or they've been fired. I posted a very extensive list of assistant coaches at UT under Fulmer and Majors about a year ago on the board.