Election Night (or days, or weeks, or whatever) 2022

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bamawriter said:
It doesn't seem all that alarming to me. I don't think it's any surprise that a lot of people go into the booth with no clue who or what they're voting for outside of a couple of contests.
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This is alarming. It's one thing to vote for an unknown person because of the letter next to their name, but blindly voting on an issue is seriously psychopathic.
 
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GAVol said:
There’s a hunger for electable candidates who aren’t extreme and associated with an assclown that turns off 60% of the electorate.
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Yet we need extreme fiscal conservatives.



And when you find that unicorn let me know.
 
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GVF said:
Very true. THere were some solid R's IMO that lost out in primaries to Trump R's, who in turn lost to D's. I voted Trump twice for obvious reasons at the time, but at this point in time, I think he brings more harm than good. His narcissistic tendencies, and his ridicue of deSantis leaning toward a presedential run are not going to continue to age well. Republicans that have moved forward and separated from Trump will be more successful in the long run. There comes a point when you just have to do that and get back to the business of why you are running as an R verses what the fanatical faction of D's are destroying. Moderate D's will hold strong. IMO, the strongest elected government has majority of moderate D&R's verses the outliers on either side.
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How does the GOP win the Presidency in 2024 without Trump? Everyone wants to move on from the Orange Man, myself included, but no one has a strategy to win without him.
 
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GAVol said:
There’s a hunger for electable candidates who aren’t extreme and associated with an assclown that turns off 60% of the electorate.
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There are? You think a moderate GOP candidate wins nationally in 2024? How?
 
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This GOP Senate candidate from NV (Laxalt) has quite the backstory. The illegitimate love child of former GOP senator (Pete Domenici) and the daughter of a then-fellow GOP senator (Paul Laxalt). Domenici didn't acknowledge the kid until he was 34. Family values are so cool.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This is alarming. It's one thing to vote for an unknown person because of the letter next to their name, but blindly voting on an issue is seriously psychopathic.
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I guess I'm too cynical to register surprise at something like this. Between genuine ignorance and terribly worded ballot items, 20% seems within the margin of expected outcomes.
 
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volgr said:
How does the GOP win the Presidency in 2024 without Trump? Everyone wants to move on from the Orange Man, myself included, but no one has a strategy to win without him.
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Look at what DeSantis did in FL. Then figure out how to apply it to the nation. It may not work. But it has far better odds than running Trump.
 
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volgr said:
How does the GOP win the Presidency in 2024 without Trump? Everyone wants to move on from the Orange Man, myself included, but no one has a strategy to win without him.
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The strategy is let him announce, business as usual on his end. Then around summertime have Desantis announce and they late 2023 they can start going after each other. Desantis does not need to go in trying to take Trump out from day 1 but let Trump be himself.
 
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bamawriter said:
Look at what DeSantis did in FL. Then figure out how to apply it to the nation. It may not work. But it has far better odds than running Trump.
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Well, if we could clean up elections nationwide and get massive amounts of Conservatives to flood into toss up States, then it may work. But, I don't see that happening.
 
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bamawriter said:
Look at what DeSantis did in FL. Then figure out how to apply it to the nation. It may not work. But it has far better odds than running Trump.
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Desanstis has equity in how he navigated through Covid and how he turned a potential purple state deep red with the help of those who left other states as well as the swings in Miami/Cuban and Latino population.
 
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What happened last night should have been an emphatic correction to the hell this country has been subjected to since Biden was installed to be POTUS. Instead, we have a nation of sheep that likes to be under the thumb of oppressive democratic controlled power. Governed by children that want to act like adults. We want more taxes crime & higher food & gas prices. We are being governed by idiots that idiots vote in to keep us living in hell.
 
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hog88 said:
The Rs need to find that happy medium between the Trump and McConnell wings. Neither can carry a national election anymore and both need to be put out to pasture.
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Been saying that since 2016. A happy medium is the only way the R’s are getting me back in the fold. Or at least more toward the middle versus the far right wing nut side. If they insist on running Trump again, I’ll sit out again. I’d take a look at DeSantis. Any enemy of Trump is a friend of mine.
 
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bamawriter said:
The party isn't the issue. Independents have completely turned on Trump.
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The Party IS the issue. GOP leadership does not want to be the populist party. They don't want their base to consist of a diverse group of working class Americans. GOP leadership's attitude is much like that of a Peter Strzok (smelly Wal-Mart Americans).
 
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volgr said:
There are? You think a moderate GOP candidate wins nationally in 2024? How?
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A socially moderate and fiscally conservative candidate with a little charisma would mop up. But in the end it really doesn't matter because they all end up the same once in office.
 
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volgr said:
How does the GOP win the Presidency in 2024 without Trump? Everyone wants to move on from the Orange Man, myself included, but no one has a strategy to win without him.
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I think DeSantis has been in the process of separating and moving on from Trump. And he is strong enough on his oqn to have separation from TRump. IMO, he will come on strong in the next two years. THe strongest candidate, and likely next POTUS will be the R that provides what people wanted from Trump, without being Trump or being connected to Trump any longer. THe next POTUS is all in the making for the R's if said candidate is smart enough to make the break. you don't want to alienate his voting bloc, but you don't want to ride his coat tails in defeat to a D candidate that will be horrible. Candidates that don't currently seem to be available on the right gets even worse on the left. If an R can deliver the message, they will unseat Trump, and win the general rather easily. South FL just went total red with the mayoral and Rubio. I can see DeSantis, Rubio, and the Mayor of Miami all making potential strong bids. While I personally like Noem as a potential candidate, not sure she has held enough position to make a solid run at POTUS. AS it stands right now with R's I'm aware of, the next Red POTUS very likley will come from FL. One thing you can count on given his mental tendencies, Trump will make a primary run nothing but a finger pointing episode, turn on DeSantis or anyone willing to run against him for the nomination. And the wisest of those seeking the R nomination will use that ot their fullest advantage. You can take the Trump policies that were working so well, and package them into an adult, and destroy it in the general.
 
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volgr said:
The Party IS the issue. GOP leadership does not want to be the populist party. They don't want their base to consist of a diverse group of working class Americans. GOP leadership's attitude is much like that of a Peter Strzok (smelly Wal-Mart Americans).
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What the GOP wants their base to be is irrelevant. Last night proved that they cannot win races by simply turning out their base. The issue is not populism or the GOP establishment. The issue is Trump. Trump is electoral suicide.
 
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