Electric Vehicles

I get about 300 miles on a standard charge for my Y. Plenty of charging stations. And the tech is cool. And prices are dropping. My estimated gas savings over the course of a year was $1668, which pays more than three months of the lease.

I don't think EVs are going anywhere.
I saved $2500 last year. Charging at home is easier than going to the gas station, and there are no idiots smoking cigarettes around gasoline fumes in my garage. I've seen no significant change in my electric bill. We don't use my car for vacation travel, so I've only used a supercharger 3 times.

That being said: EV mandates are BS. They are not practical if you drive hundreds of miles a day or as a single family car that will be used for vacationing. They aren't ready for towing and the trucks are not practical. No way in hell 2/3 of cars are EV by 2032.

For me, the cost relative to speed/fun was the selling point. And it holds nearly 2 years in.
 
The mandate, as it were, would have had about 2/3 of cars in the US be EVs, by 2032. That's probably going to happen anyway.

Doubtful. Not because of low demand, but more so in the lack of infrastructure.

You think about how many gas stations there are compared to how many recharge stations there are. You're talking seven years from now which would be a HUGE undertaking for any business let alone all of them to implement and retrofit 2/3rds of the fuel stations to electric standard.

Not even going into whether or not the electrical grid can handle such a thing or if we have the generating capacity to power it.

That's a lofty goal, but likely one that we just can't achieve on such a short span of time.
 
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Doubtful. Not because of low demand, but more so in the lack of infrastructure.

You think about how many gas stations there are compared to how many recharge stations there are. You're talking seven years from now which would be a HUGE undertaking for any business let alone all of them to implement and retrofit 2/3rds of the fuel stations to electric standard.

Not even going into whether or not the electrical grid can handle such a thing or if we have the generating capacity to power it.

That's a lofty goal, but likely one that we just can't achieve on such a short span of time.

Where are people going to camp out for 2 hours while their vehicle charges? Maybe we can get a Bucees on every corner.
 
Where are people going to camp out for 2 hours while their vehicle charges? Maybe we can get a Bucees on every corner.

I remember seeing something at one point about quick battery changes or something to that effect. Basically pull in, the swap your battery, you leave on a "full tank" in a manger of speaking. They recharge the one they took out and use it down the line.

Something like that could work, though again, the infrastructure needed would be considerable.
 
I remember seeing something at one point about quick battery changes or something to that effect. Basically pull in, the swap your battery, you leave on a "full tank" in a manger of speaking. They recharge the one they took out and use it down the line.

Something like that could work, though again, the infrastructure needed would be considerable.

Kind of like propane tanks for grills. Of course that would more than likely require a universal battery and complete redesign of all EVs going forward.
 
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I remember seeing something at one point about quick battery changes or something to that effect. Basically pull in, the swap your battery, you leave on a "full tank" in a manger of speaking. They recharge the one they took out and use it down the line.

Something like that could work, though again, the infrastructure needed would be considerable.
 
I remember seeing something at one point about quick battery changes or something to that effect. Basically pull in, the swap your battery, you leave on a "full tank" in a manger of speaking. They recharge the one they took out and use it down the line.

Something like that could work, though again, the infrastructure needed would be considerable.
Since the batteries are part of the chassis, they can't be plug and play like 8 track tapes. And the mfgs would have to agree on size and shape to make then interchangeable. I wish they could though.
 
Doubtful. Not because of low demand, but more so in the lack of infrastructure.

You think about how many gas stations there are compared to how many recharge stations there are. You're talking seven years from now which would be a HUGE undertaking for any business let alone all of them to implement and retrofit 2/3rds of the fuel stations to electric standard.

Not even going into whether or not the electrical grid can handle such a thing or if we have the generating capacity to power it.

That's a lofty goal, but likely one that we just can't achieve on such a short span of time.

A client of ours has spent multiple millions (bunch of it federal grants) on charging stations for big trucks. By the time those things (if ever) would have enough business to be profitable they'll be obsolete.
 
Since the batteries are part of the chassis, they can't be plug and play like 8 track tapes. And the mfgs would have to agree on size and shape to make then interchangeable. I wish they could though.

At some point in time, the auto industry agreed on the size of the gas tank hole so everyone could use the same pump.

Or agreed on the size of the spout. Regardless, such things have been done before
 
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Doubtful. Not because of low demand, but more so in the lack of infrastructure.

You think about how many gas stations there are compared to how many recharge stations there are. You're talking seven years from now which would be a HUGE undertaking for any business let alone all of them to implement and retrofit 2/3rds of the fuel stations to electric standard.

Not even going into whether or not the electrical grid can handle such a thing or if we have the generating capacity to power it.

That's a lofty goal, but likely one that we just can't achieve on such a short span of time.
Supercharging costs roughly 4x what it costs to charge at home, which negates much of the savings over gasoline. The people I know who also own EVs charge almost exclusively overnight. Charging stations really only become an issue if tons of people are driving their EVs long distances.
 
Where are people going to camp out for 2 hours while their vehicle charges? Maybe we can get a Bucees on every corner.
The last time I stopped at Bucees for supercharging, I was at 80% in approx 20 minutes. It was complete by the time I hit the fancy bathroom, grabbed a brisket sandwich and a couple of treats for the kids, and checked out. The new SCs are FAST.
 
Supercharging costs roughly 4x what it costs to charge at home, which negates much of the savings over gasoline. The people I know who also own EVs charge almost exclusively overnight. Charging stations really only become an issue if tons of people are driving their EVs long distances.

Well, with LG thinking 2/3rds of the vehicles on the road in 2032 will be EV, that would imply going long distances.

It's like SSC and I talked about. An EV is a good in town grocery getter, but not something you take cross country. At least right now.
 
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The last time I stopped at Bucees for supercharging, I was at 80% in approx 20 minutes. It was complete by the time I hit the fancy bathroom, grabbed a brisket sandwich and a couple of treats for the kids, and checked out. The new SCs are FAST.

You spent gas savings taking the kids to Bucees....
 
You spent gas savings taking the kids to Bucees....
Not a Bucees fan? After what I had just spent on the new furry addition to the family, a brisket and fudge run was basically pennies. I've never thought stuff there was overpriced, though, with today's prices. Hell, 5 Guys is like an $80 meal for the fam.
 
Not a Bucees fan? After what I had just spent on the new furry addition to the family, a brisket and fudge run was basically pennies. I've never thought stuff there was overpriced, though, with today's prices. Hell, 5 Guys is like an $80 meal for the fam.

I love Bucees. I just know stopping there with kids aint easy on the wallet....

Between fudge, beaver nuggets, jerky, beaver chips, brisket, tshirts, and the Icee wall...
 
Well, with LG thinking 2/3rds of the vehicles on the road in 2032 will be EV, that would imply going long distances.

It's like SSC and I talked about. An EV is a good in town grocery getter, but not something you take cross country. At least right now.
Oh I agree, as I've said several times before. Even day travel as a rep or something is still very manageable. They aren't for long drives or vacation, unless you plan to stop accordingly. Furthest I've been is Asheville, Nashville, and Atlanta.
 
I love Bucees. I just know stopping there with kids aint easy on the wallet....

Between fudge, beaver nuggets, jerky, beaver chips, brisket, tshirts, and the Icee wall...
LOL. I set limits. Nobody wears gas station merchandise and we avoid corn syrup drinks, for the most part.
 

Trump Cuts Off EV Charging Gravy Train Enjoyed by Elon Musk’s Tesla​


President Donald Trump’s recent executive order targeting electric vehicle charging infrastructure funding could have significant implications for Elon Musk’s Tesla, which has benefited from these programs in the past.

TechCrunch reports that in direct move against the EV industry, President Donald Trump has signed an executive order declaring that “All agencies shall immediately pause the disbursement of funds” from programs created by the Inflation Reduction Act and Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. The order specifically calls for a halt to funding for EV charging stations made available through the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Formula Program and the Charging and Fueling Infrastructure (CFI) grant program.

 

Trump Cuts Off EV Charging Gravy Train Enjoyed by Elon Musk’s Tesla​


President Donald Trump’s recent executive order targeting electric vehicle charging infrastructure funding could have significant implications for Elon Musk’s Tesla, which has benefited from these programs in the past.

TechCrunch reports that in direct move against the EV industry, President Donald Trump has signed an executive order declaring that “All agencies shall immediately pause the disbursement of funds” from programs created by the Inflation Reduction Act and Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. The order specifically calls for a halt to funding for EV charging stations made available through the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) Formula Program and the Charging and Fueling Infrastructure (CFI) grant program.

Musk already has the largest charging network by miles. This won't hurt him, it will impact others significantly more.
 
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The mandate, as it were, would have had about 2/3 of cars in the US be EVs, by 2032. That's probably going to happen anyway.

Its literally impossible. By impossible I mean...impossible. There will likely not be even 1 new nuclear powerplant brought online by 2032. It took them 15 years just to CONSTRUCT the last reactor at Vogel in GA and it just recently got done. Get a new plant approved, permitted, surveyed, designed and built is likely a 20 plus year process due to Liberals like you and government red tape. Thats assuming you can EVER find a place to build one at all due to "Not in my backyard" attitudes...ESPECIALLY in blue states or anywhere near liberals. Again. Liberals are the problem...who could have ever guessed?

Sorry but no, that's not going to happen without massive federal spending.

Nope. Not gonna happen period. I will settle for protecting the existing grid from attack. We need to get on that, yesterday.
 
I saved $2500 last year. Charging at home is easier than going to the gas station, and there are no idiots smoking cigarettes around gasoline fumes in my garage. I've seen no significant change in my electric bill. We don't use my car for vacation travel, so I've only used a supercharger 3 times.

That being said: EV mandates are BS. They are not practical if you drive hundreds of miles a day or as a single family car that will be used for vacationing. They aren't ready for towing and the trucks are not practical. No way in hell 2/3 of cars are EV by 2032.

For me, the cost relative to speed/fun was the selling point. And it holds nearly 2 years in.

People have no idea how fast Teslas are.. they are insane, stupid fast. The plaid model...for $81k brand new...goes 0-60 in 2 seconds and quarter mile in 9secs and change. Thats as fast as the 1,000hp Lamborghini that just beat out Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Bentley etc for the 2025 Road n Track performance car of the year. The Lamborghini costs $740,000. The Tesla plaid is an $80k 4 door sedan that your wife can take the kids to school in and grocery shop. Just gotta turn the power down. Electric cars are like a cheat code for acceleration. I would love to have 1 to play with. This country is decades away from being able to charge them for everyone though.
 
I love Bucees. I just know stopping there with kids aint easy on the wallet....

Between fudge, beaver nuggets, jerky, beaver chips, brisket, tshirts, and the Icee wall...
I get the nugs... and an extra nugs.... then one for the road.... until there is no more room in the vehicle or buc cees is outa nugs
 
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Its literally impossible. By impossible I mean...impossible. There will likely not be even 1 new nuclear powerplant brought online by 2032. It took them 15 years just to CONSTRUCT the last reactor at Vogel in GA and it just recently got done. Get a new plant approved, permitted, surveyed, designed and built is likely a 20 plus year process due to Liberals like you and government red tape. Thats assuming you can EVER find a place to build one at all due to "Not in my backyard" attitudes...ESPECIALLY in blue states or anywhere near liberals. Again. Liberals are the problem...who could have ever guessed?



Nope. Not gonna happen period. I will settle for protecting the existing grid from attack. We need to get on that, yesterday.
I do suspect the unknown factor is the advance of AI. It requires enormous amounts of power and I can see it becoming the addiction that greases the way for more nuclear
 
People have no idea how fast Teslas are.. they are insane, stupid fast. The plaid model...for $81k brand new...goes 0-60 in 2 seconds and quarter mile in 9secs and change. Thats as fast as the 1,000hp Lamborghini that just beat out Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Bentley etc for the 2025 Road n Track performance car of the year. The Lamborghini costs $740,000. The Tesla plaid is an $80k 4 door sedan that your wife can take the kids to school in and grocery shop. Just gotta turn the power down. Electric cars are like a cheat code for acceleration. I would love to have 1 to play with. This country is decades away from being able to charge them for everyone though.
I love pulling up to a red light with a 'Stang or Ricer revving their engine. It's a fun quarter mile from there.
 
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