Electric Vehicles

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marcusluvsvols said:
Its literally impossible. By impossible I mean...impossible. There will likely not be even 1 new nuclear powerplant brought online by 2032. It took them 15 years just to CONSTRUCT the last reactor at Vogel in GA and it just recently got done. Get a new plant approved, permitted, surveyed, designed and built is likely a 20 plus year process due to Liberals like you and government red tape. Thats assuming you can EVER find a place to build one at all due to "Not in my backyard" attitudes...ESPECIALLY in blue states or anywhere near liberals. Again. Liberals are the problem...who could have ever guessed?



Nope. Not gonna happen period. I will settle for protecting the existing grid from attack. We need to get on that, yesterday.
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I could maybe believe 2/3 of us cars being hybrids by then, but never pure EVs. The US is just too large and driving distances too vast to rely on transportation that requires constant recharging. Even if the US embarked on a crash program to build charging station, there is no way to build enough stations along the millions of miles of us highways and roads.
And ask the people in LA and Malibu just how practical EVs are right now.
 
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hog88 said:
I haven't done any long distance towing with my F-250 (7.3 gasser) yet so I'm curious to see what the differences are from my old 6.7 diesel. I'll find out in June.
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I towed my center console to FT Lauderdale last spring and I think my mileage dropped from 16-14. My previous F150 with 5.0 got 16mpg w/o towing and like 12 with towing.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Energy is energy it doesn’t matter if it’s coming from a battery or stored in the distilled fluid from dino corpses. If your hypothetical ICE truck is consuming enough energy to only get 8 mpg then you’re going to be consuming the same energy sourced by a battery. That’s just an accounting problem in physics. Pulling big loads is going to require a really big battery. The tool for the job as you say!
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And EVs actually impose an efficiency loss due to the resistance imparted by long transmission lines. If the energy is being generated hundreds of miles away, you lose the available energy with every single mile of wire.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I towed my center console to FT Lauderdale last spring and I think my mileage dropped from 16-14. My previous F150 with 5.0 got 16mpg w/o towing and like 12 with towing.
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I'm going to do (well the wife will be driving) around a 250 mile trip each way in June towing our boat @6000lbs bowrider.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And EVs actually impose an efficiency loss due to the resistance imparted by long transmission lines. If the energy is being generated hundreds of miles away, you lose the available energy with every single mile of wire.
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Do you know the efficiency of ICEs?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'll be interested to see whether you see the dramatic drop in fuel mileage I saw with my gasser.
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I expect to see a drop, the question is how much.

I had an Excursion with the big V-10, I pulled our travel trailer and boat with it at various time. That V-10 would pass almost anything on the road while towing except a gas station.
 
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hog88 said:
I haven't done any long distance towing with my F-250 (7.3 gasser) yet so I'm curious to see what the differences are from my old 6.7 diesel. I'll find out in June.
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Hey test that steering wheel lock position for me when you get a chance please! Apparently the wheel lock only engages when FORD is upside down?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
And EVs actually impose an efficiency loss due to the resistance imparted by long transmission lines. If the energy is being generated hundreds of miles away, you lose the available energy with every single mile of wire.
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@kiddiedoc is actually right on this one. The grid has gotten pretty good at managing transmission losses. That is why long transmission lines are such high voltages, to minimize the current flow which in turn minimizes the ohmic line losses.

And all of that heat generated by our ICE engines is waste heat and thus energy loss.
 
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hog88 said:
Remind me what you wanted to know.
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Does your steering wheel lock only engage when the wheel is rotated 180 degrees. IE the FORD on the wheel is upside down.

The other was do you get a seatbelt warning nanny for the passenger but blow that off. It’s against the law and I’m pretty sure any truck with a GVWR of 10000 lbs is exempt. I’ve read comments from owners of all three brands that they have no passenger seatbelt nanny.

Also read your manual if you want to turn off the driver nanny. You can actually do that.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Does your steering wheel lock only engage when the wheel is rotated 180 degrees. IE the FORD on the wheel is upside down.

The other was do you get a seatbelt warning nanny for the passenger but blow that off. It’s against the law and I’m pretty sure any truck with a GVWR of 10000 lbs is exempt. I’ve read comments from owners of all three brands that they have no passenger seatbelt nanny.

Also read your manual if you want to turn off the driver nanny. You can actually do that.
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I don’t get the seatbelt warning for the passenger side. I’ll check out the steering wheel lock.
 
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ICEs in cars run somewhere between 20-40% efficiency (conversion of energy to power), while the remainder is lost primarily as heat. A small additional energy waste occurs with the transmission. Electric motors run around 85-90% efficiency.

Modern electrical transmission is quite efficient...90%+.

The biggest variable in overall efficiency/environmental impact actually occurs at the level of energy production. Coal is certainly the most wasteful and damaging, making EVs and ICEs nearly a wash, if electricity for charging is largely produced by it. Any cleaner form of production would heavily favor the EVs.
 
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After some digging, I believe roughly 80% of electricity production in Tennessee is from nuclear, natural gas, and hydroelectric plants, leaving roughly 20% from coal, a number which continues to decline.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
ICEs in cars run somewhere between 20-40% efficiency (conversion of energy to power), while the remainder is lost primarily as heat. A small additional energy waste occurs with the transmission. Electric motors run around 85-90% efficiency.

Modern electrical transmission is quite efficient...90%+.

The biggest variable in overall efficiency/environmental impact actually occurs at the level of energy production. Coal is certainly the most wasteful and damaging, making EVs and ICEs nearly a wash, if electricity for charging is largely produced by it. Any cleaner form of production would heavily favor the EVs.
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The biggest concern on BEVs I think is load on the grid. Especially with this datacenter and AI push. We need more nuke now

Ultimately I think hydrogen fuel cell is the final step.
 
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Ford expects to rack up EV Losses of up to $5.5B in 2025, sending shares skidding​


Ford Motor on Wednesday projected up to $5.5 billion in losses on its electric vehicle and software operations this year, a loss similar to last year and a sign of the severe difficulties in cutting costs on battery-powered models.

Farley made some significant cuts to the company’s EV plans last year, axing a much-anticipated three-row electric SUV and delaying the launch of its next generation electric F-150 Lightning truck. The company is leaning heavily on its California “skunkworks” team developing EVs from the ground up, and said the first affordably priced vehicle from that team will be a mid-sized electric pickup arriving in 2027.

While Ford is not rolling out new EVs in the coming year, a contrast to General Motors which is introducing a blitz of new models and ramping up sales of its Blazer and Equinox EVs, Farley is leaning heavily on hybrids, which GM is not rolling out until 2027.

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Ford expects to rack up EV losses of up to $5.5B in 2025, sending shares skidding

Ford Motor on Wednesday projected up to $5.5 billion in losses on its electric vehicle and software operations this year, a loss similar to last year and a sign of the severe difficulties in cuttin…
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EV Maker recently worth more than Ford teeters on the Brink as it mulls Bankruptcy​


Once hailed as one of America’s most promising EV makers, a multi-billion-dollar green-tech giant now appears on the knife's edge of bankruptcy.

Nikola, a hydrogen class-8 truck manufacturer, is in talks about an upcoming bankruptcy, according to The Wall Street Journal.

In 2020, the company went public before even producing a vehicle for the market.

At one point, Nikola's worth hit $30 billion and made it more valuable than Ford. But the brand's image quickly crashed.
Its rise was fueled by bold promises from founder Trevor Milton, who was later convicted of securities fraud in 2022 for misleading investors about the company’s zero-emissions technology.

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An EV startup with huge financial backing might soon declare bankruptcy

The company promised a dual-energy approach to its fleet of commercial and consumer vehicles.

Nikola launched designs for the Badger pickup truck that was expected in both full-electric and hydrogen variants.

Giant investors, including GM, flowed cash into the projects. GM initially took an 11 percent stake in the company.

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Nikola was hoping to produce the Badger, an all electric or hydrogen pickup

So far, the company has produced just over 300 production vehicles since its inception.

Nikola's issues are part of a greater narrative: companies are struggling with the electric vehicle transition.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-14373127/ev-maker-nikola-ford-mulls-bankruptcy.html
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Franklin Pierce said:

EV Maker recently worth more than Ford teeters on the Brink as it mulls Bankruptcy​


Once hailed as one of America’s most promising EV makers, a multi-billion-dollar green-tech giant now appears on the knife's edge of bankruptcy.

Nikola, a hydrogen class-8 truck manufacturer, is in talks about an upcoming bankruptcy, according to The Wall Street Journal.

In 2020, the company went public before even producing a vehicle for the market.

At one point, Nikola's worth hit $30 billion and made it more valuable than Ford. But the brand's image quickly crashed.
Its rise was fueled by bold promises from founder Trevor Milton, who was later convicted of securities fraud in 2022 for misleading investors about the company’s zero-emissions technology.

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An EV startup with huge financial backing might soon declare bankruptcy

The company promised a dual-energy approach to its fleet of commercial and consumer vehicles.

Nikola launched designs for the Badger pickup truck that was expected in both full-electric and hydrogen variants.

Giant investors, including GM, flowed cash into the projects. GM initially took an 11 percent stake in the company.

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Nikola was hoping to produce the Badger, an all electric or hydrogen pickup
So far, the company has produced just over 300 production vehicles since its inception.
Nikola's issues are part of a greater narrative: companies are struggling with the electric vehicle transition.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-14373127/ev-maker-nikola-ford-mulls-bankruptcy.html
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why I think the UAW are the dumbest people on planet. Auto Corporate leadership gets these time lined mandates and have no choice to make a rapid artificial switch, rather than just letting market forces work. Just Dems doing what they do best, decimate and destroy another industry,. To think the UAW played along with Dem leadership...well good luck with your jobs.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
ICEs in cars run somewhere between 20-40% efficiency (conversion of energy to power), while the remainder is lost primarily as heat. A small additional energy waste occurs with the transmission. Electric motors run around 85-90% efficiency.

Modern electrical transmission is quite efficient...90%+.

The biggest variable in overall efficiency/environmental impact actually occurs at the level of energy production. Coal is certainly the most wasteful and damaging, making EVs and ICEs nearly a wash, if electricity for charging is largely produced by it. Any cleaner form of production would heavily favor the EVs.
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Actually, electrical efficiency is better than that. If you had 10% losses in a line it would soon be a pool of liquid aluminum. Transformers lose less that 1% and still have to have large active cooling systems. A large 1000 MW transformer losing 1% would require cooling sufficient to remove 10 MW of heat. Ten million watts! That's a lot of fans, pumps and radiators. Large transmission lines can carry even more, 2 or 3 thousand MWs.
 
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jmacvols1 said:


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Top Biden EV Bus Maker Nears Bankruptcy, Leaving School Districts and Tens of Millions of Taxpayer Dollars in Limbo

The Biden administration awarded Canadian electric bus company Lion Electric nearly $160 million to manufacture hundreds of battery-powered buses for school districts nationwide as part of its sweeping climate agenda. In recent weeks, Lion has initiated bankruptcy proceedings, laid off all...
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Our county just bought it's first Propane bus. They decided it was safer than EV and would be more reliable.
 
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