Electric Vehicles

[Orange_Crush]

I pay a higher registration. Why should I pay a gas tax if I don't use any? How does a one time fee cover anything over the life of the vehicle?

Your registration is a state-level fee. There are both state and federal taxes on fuel.

 

[Orange_Crush]

But I pay a higher yearly registration. Where's that money going?

To the state.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If we keep pointing out how heavily he/she is taxes, @utvolpj may become a conservative.

 

[utvolpj]

Gas tax is supposed to pay for road maintenance, please tell me you didn't know this. I'm guess the Feds are planning on getting their portion of the fuel tax in a one time charge instead of annually like FL does when you renew your registration.

Of course I know what it's supposed to do yet see quite a few roads that could use some of that tax money. A one time fee that is absolutely meant to punish the liberal elite for purchasing luxury vehicles will do nothing but make the base drool. I think we can stop pretending this is about roads

 

[hog88]

If we keep pointing out how heavily he/she is taxes, @utvolpj may become a conservative.

PJ should take a look at a trucking companies fuel taxes, that will pucker your azz. Paying fuel taxes to states you haven't even operated in is the rip off.

 

[utvolpj]

If we keep pointing out how heavily he/she is taxes, @utvolpj may become a conservative.

And if I keep doing math and reading comprehension for you then you may pass the sat

 

[hog88]

Of course I know what it's supposed to do yet see quite a few roads that could use some of that tax money. A one time fee that is absolutely meant to punish the liberal elite for purchasing luxury vehicles will do nothing but make the base drool. I think we can stop pretending this is about roads

But why shouldn't EV owners chip in for road maintenance? You should just get free use while everyone else pays?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Of course I know what it's supposed to do yet see quite a few roads that could use some of that tax money. A one time fee that is absolutely meant to punish the liberal elite for purchasing luxury vehicles will do nothing but make the base drool. I think we can stop pretending this is about roads

1. You should support Trump digging out waste and fraud.
2. Man, liberal elites have been the ones telling us everyone should pay their fair share.

 

[utvolpj]

PJ should take a look at a trucking companies fuel taxes, that will pucker your azz. Paying fuel taxes to states you haven't even operated in is the rip off.

I worked in logistics for about 22yrs (3pl and wholesale dist) and understand the industry

 

[utvolpj]

But why shouldn't EV owners chip in for road maintenance? You should just get free use while everyone else pays?

I do every year. I pay a lot of tolls in FL as well.

Should those riding public transit not pay? Busses can't be easy on those roads

 

[utvolpj]

1. You should support Trump digging out waste and fraud.
2. Man, liberal elites have been the ones telling us everyone should pay their fair share.

And now it's the repubs using the same old class warfare line. How are you still falling for it?

 

[Orange_Crush]

And if I keep doing math and reading comprehension for you then you may pass the sat

A little late to worry about the SAT. I'm about to early retire in my early 50s after a very successful career. But genuine appreciation for your concern.

 

[utvolpj]

If we keep pointing out how heavily he/she is taxes, @utvolpj may become a conservative.

Conservatives still need high taxes to pay for their nonsense. I prefer my stance of not wanting to pay for any party's nonsense. It's at least consistent

 

[hog88]

I do every year. I pay a lot of tolls in FL as well.

Should those riding public transit not pay? Busses can't be easy on those roads

I'm sure the bus company has their fuel taxes figured into their passenger fairs. Toll roads are supposed to be self funding, your tolls are supposed to pay for their maintenance.

 

[Orange_Crush]

And now it's the repubs using the same old class warfare line. How are you still falling for it?

I'm neither a democrat, nor a repub. I didn't even notice the line, much less "fall for it". I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt and responding to the context of your argument.

(Reading comprehension may have helped with this. I'll help...)

You claimed it was a tax on liberal elites. My response inferred an even (if) that were to be true, (then) aren't they the ones saying everyone should pay their share?

 

[utvolpj]

I'm sure the bus company has their fuel taxes figured into their passenger fairs. Toll roads are supposed to be self funding, your tolls are supposed to pay for their maintenance.

Many of the toll roads in FL were meant to be temporary to recoup the construction costs yet still remain as cash cows years later. Lots of fights about it but the people always lose

We all know the govt has more than enough revenue without the gas tax if they spent it correctly. No one-time $1k fee is going to put a dent in infrastructure costs.

 

[utvolpj]

I'm neither a democrat, nor a repub. I didn't even notice the line, much less "fall for it". I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt and responding to the context of your argument.

(Reading comprehension may have helped with this. I'll help...)

You claimed it was a tax on liberal elites. My response inferred an even (if) that were to be true, (then) aren't they the ones saying everyone should pay their share?

And doesn't the right make fun of their use of fair share? You claim to not belong to a party yet sure do seem to buy into their rhetoric

 

[Orange_Crush]

And doesn't the right make fun of their use of fair share? You claim to not belong to a party yet sure do seem to buy into their rhetoric

I only mock the phrase when it's abused and actually means "Let's have you pay for your share and everyone else's." Historically, that's been a pretty common abuse, imho.

As a conservative, I'm all for everyone actually paying their fair share.

 

[hog88]

Many of the toll roads in FL were meant to be temporary to recoup the construction costs yet still remain as cash cows years later. Lots of fights about it but the people always lose

We all know the govt has more than enough revenue without the gas tax if they spent it correctly. No one-time $1k fee is going to put a dent in infrastructure costs.

Hey, I get it and agree but as long as we have it EVs should chip in.

 

[DrRosenRosen]

Hey, I get it and agree but as long as we have it EVs should chip in.

How do we determine this? Govt going to come check my odometer?

 

[C-south]

I don't care about getting rid of the tax break. However the Trump admin has floated the idea of a break for gas trucks. That will have a much greater impact but won't have the boogeyman ev attached

The nation's elite with their luxury vehicles must pay their "fair share" instead of sponging off the poor? It's cheap class politics. The tax is being sold to ignorant rubes who think anyone driving a Tesla is super wealthy. There aren't enough ev to make a difference and this is purely punitive.

The govt can do infrastructure without a miniscule, one-time $1k penalty to ev owners. Can we tax people who have no cars and use public transportation? Those busses aren't hovercraft

Maybe it’ll lower the price straight to the consumer. I think ford raised the price of the lightning overnight when they increased the credit last time.

 

[C-south]

Hey, I get it and agree but as long as we have it EVs should chip in.

Should vehicle property taxes be enough? I’m not a fan of a mileage tax so I’m not sure how it should work. Maybe a flat yearly fee that’s extremely reasonable.

 

[YankeeVol]

Some direct quotes from the article mentioning income levels:

- cover the cost for the luxuries of the nation’s elite.

- handouts to our adversaries and high-income individuals

- The days of liberal elites in their expensive EV’s

My Ford lightning likely weighs less than the average f250. Which one has more tearing up the roads?

It's absolutely a punitive tax as displayed by the obvious disdain shown for ev drivers by the authors. How does a one time fee of $1k really do anything if these vehicles are truly tearing up the roads?

The Silverado EV weighs as much as a gas Silverado AND a Malibu

 

[Orange_Crush]

Personally, I want drastically reduced taxes with drastically better returns on what we do pay. Cut the pork. Cut the waste. Cut the fraud. Add transparency and accountability.

They have us discussing this new tax. Let's all talk about how much we have BEEN paying, compared to what we're not getting back for it.

 

[hog88]

How do we determine this? Govt going to come check my odometer?

In a perfect world there wouldn't be any federal fuel taxes BUT since there are I think we should do away with the pay at the pump collection system currently in use and go to a mileage/weight based system.