Electric Vehicles

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AM64 said:
Another interesting fact that nobody talks about is mileage and weight. At least the car/truck gets lighter as you burn the fuel. With EVs you can be running on empty and you are still hauling around the same weight in dead batteries.
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The new F-150 lightning advertises up to 10,000 lbs towing capacity and 2,000 lbs payload with certain configurations. What I can't find is a towing/payload weight to range anywhere on the Ford site.
 
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VolStrom said:
Kind of like EV's except we not only don't have the chargers to support EV's we also don't have the surplus electricity that would be needed to charge them if we did.
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Just like we didnt have infrastructure for oil and gas when cars first came out. Didnt mean fuel burning cars were a bad idea then.

Like when tesla was purely a charging company they had to make a car people wanted. They did enough where all major makers now have it. That was a market change. As long as it's the market driving EV infrastructure and pricing I dont know why so many people get defensive about it. The oil and gas industry, despite being established for decades still gets huge subsidies, so it's not some purist minimal government argument.
 
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VolStrom said:
Kind of like EV's except we not only don't have the chargers to support EV's we also don't have the surplus electricity that would be needed to charge them if we did.
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You are right, the EV infrastructure is not ready yet at a national level. There was funding in the bipartisan infrastructure bill passed last year to build 500,000 charging stations (I think it was like $5 billion), so that is a start at least.
Just my opinion, but Democrats are going to have to drop their aversion to nuclear power if we want to get serious about using cleaner energy. We should have been building plants since the 70s but Three Mile Island scared the crap out of everybody and here we are.
 
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LouderVol said:
Just like we didnt have infrastructure for oil and gas when cars first came out. Didnt mean fuel burning cars were a bad idea then.

Like when tesla was purely a charging company they had to make a car people wanted. They did enough where all major makers now have it. That was a market change. As long as it's the market driving EV infrastructure and pricing I dont know why so many people get defensive about it. The oil and gas industry, despite being established for decades still gets huge subsidies, so it's not some purist minimal government argument.
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It's the false premise of the need for EVs they are pushing and the feeling we are being forced into EVs causing people to be defensive.
 
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EVs will not be practical for most Americans unless they can reach a point of running an entire day on a single charge (500 to 700 miles necessary). American distances are much greater than in Europe and long road trips to visit family in other states or the marathon overnighter to go to Disney after you get off work on a Friday mean that a depleted battery pack after 300 to 400 miles is a non starter. You can refill the gas tank in under five minutes. What is the best time for a full battery recharge (I honestly don’t know)
 
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LouderVol said:
Pull the battery from your internal combustion engine mr. Purist. See how far you get.
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You ever hear of the handy new invention called an alternator? And I drive a stick. Give me a slight grade to roll down and I will be fine (assuming the connection form the alternator to the plugs is unbroken
 
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AM64 said:
Another interesting fact that nobody talks about is mileage and weight. At least the car/truck gets lighter as you burn the fuel. With EVs you can be running on empty and you are still hauling around the same weight in dead batteries.
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Are you running a NASCAR pit crew? Does anyone take that into consideration?
Your average fuel efficiency is just that, average. Most people dont take into consideration that their drive home is more downhill than they way to work, so they burn less fuel.

Man you guys get real defensive about your ICE.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
EVs will not be practical for most Americans unless they can reach a point of running an entire day on a single charge (500 to 700 miles necessary). American distances are much greater than in Europe and long road trips to visit family in other states or the marathon overnighter to go to Disney after you get off work on a Friday mean that a depleted battery pack after 300 to 400 miles is a non starter. You can refill the gas tank in under five minutes. What is the best time for a full battery recharge (I honestly don’t know)
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Who routinely needs 500-700 miles/day?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
EVs will not be practical for most Americans unless they can reach a point of running an entire day on a single charge (500 to 700 miles necessary). American distances are much greater than in Europe and long road trips to visit family in other states or the marathon overnighter to go to Disney after you get off work on a Friday mean that a depleted battery pack after 300 to 400 miles is a non starter. You can refill the gas tank in under five minutes. What is the best time for a full battery recharge (I honestly don’t know)
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I think it is 20-30 minutes at a rapid charging station.
 
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LouderVol said:
. As long as it's the market driving EV infrastructure and pricing I dont know why so many people get defensive about it. The oil and gas industry, despite being established for decades still gets huge subsidies, so it's not some purist minimal government argument.
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Because that's not happening. The government is essentially requiring 17% of all new car sales be electric/plug in hybrids by 2026. They just announced a $5 billion federal investment in EV charging stations.

This isn't being driven by anything resembling the market.
 
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LouderVol said:
Just like we didnt have infrastructure for oil and gas when cars first came out. Didnt mean fuel burning cars were a bad idea then.

Like when tesla was purely a charging company they had to make a car people wanted. They did enough where all major makers now have it. That was a market change. As long as it's the market driving EV infrastructure and pricing I dont know why so many people get defensive about it. The oil and gas industry, despite being established for decades still gets huge subsidies, so it's not some purist minimal government argument.
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You can't just add a bunch of chargers to the grid and all is good. It's going to take decades to build power plants and upgrade the grid to power those battery chargers. They already have rolling blackouts in California can you image the entire country being like that?
 
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AirVol said:
How much energy does it take to manufacture batteries? How are these batteries supposed to be trashed once their life is over?
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Do not question the transportation Kommissars Comrade. There is a gulag for that (where you will be forced to mine raw earth metals to make the batteries you question).
 
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dobre_shunka said:
Because that's not happening. The government is essentially requiring 17% of all new car sales be electric/plug in hybrids by 2026. They just announced a $5 billion federal investment in EV charging stations.

This isn't being driven by anything resembling the market.
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Yup, except for the woke and the hipsters, I haven’t heard anyone actually CHOOSING electric. Definitely not anyone in rural America who has to drive any distance
 
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Not only do some people want everyone in electric cars but they would love to have everyone packed like sardines into cities using public transportation
 
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utvolpj said:
Who routinely needs 500-700 miles/day?
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Not routinely. But probably 5 or 6 times a year. Am i supposed to rent a car for a whole week to go to Disney. Or rent a car for that Thanksgiving trip to visit out of state family?
And if I am going to the Smokey’s for a camping trip and I have the extra weight of tents, bicycles, maybe kayaks, not to mention the weight of the family members themselves then that stated 300 miles might not be achievable. And don’t even CONSIDER towing a camper, even a light pop up
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Not routinely. But probably 5 or 6 times a year. Am i supposed to rent a car for a whole week to go to Disney. Or rent a car for that Thanksgiving trip to visit out of state family?
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Could do it like the old Pony Express back in the day. A new horse was ready at certain intervals. Car rentals could do a hub where you pull in on "empty" and switch to a fully charged vehicle to continue on your journey.
 
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McDad said:
The Audi E tron I am looking at claims a 30 min charge up to 80%. That may be possible under optimal conditions but I don't know if it is routine.
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I think they E Tron only gets up to 200 or 250 miles at full charge. Is that correct?
 
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