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#526
RockyTop85 said:
It’s a question for the jury, which means it’s not automatic. A lot of juries are receptive to the argument that the defendant did the right thing (I.e. sleeping it off or letting the car drive itself). This gives you some leverage to try to get it reduced by agreement.

If you fail to reach an agreement with the prosecutor, a conviction could happen and I think it would be upheld on appeal.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the law is changed to make it clear that it encompasses this situation.
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Can you even get a jury trial for a DUI?
 
#528
#528
hog88 said:
Since you can be convicted of a DUI for sleeping in your car while drunk (keys in pocket) I think a conviction for being drunk in a self driving car would be pretty automatic.
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DUI laws are very important. Just AS important however is the danger from Congress being in session with inebriated members. That’s why I support LUI laws (Legislating Under the Influence) with mandatory breathalyzer tests where the member blows into an analyzer tube at his or her desk when recoding their vote. For some reason, Pelosi is strenuously opposed to my suggestion 🍷
 
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hog88 said:
Can you even get a jury trial for a DUI?
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Yes.

It’s one of the two most commonly tried cases in my city. I know it’s handled a bit differently in Knoxville, but it’s a criminal charge with authorized penalties of more than 6 months incarceration, so there’s a constitutional right to a jury trial.
 
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hog88 said:
It's not a green movement, it's a control movement. The "greenies" oppose truly green options at every turn.
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Big G Green vs little g green.

My experience is they dont want to spend 20k on a solar array and switch but will drop 20k on a generator and a thousand gallon tank of fuel. Just like people wont spend 70k on a EV but will gladly spend 70k on a truck or SUV they only use for the grocery store.

The expense factor is relative.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Yes.

It’s one of the two most commonly tried cases in my city. I know it’s handled a bit differently in Knoxville, but it’s a criminal charge with authorized penalties of more than 6 months incarceration, so there’s a constitutional right to a jury trial.
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I didn't know that.
 
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LouderVol said:
Big G Green vs little g green.

My experience is they dont want to spend 20k on a solar array and switch but will drop 20k on a generator and a thousand gallon tank of fuel. Just like people wont spend 70k on a EV but will gladly spend 70k on a truck or SUV they only use for the grocery store.

The expense factor is relative.
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If the greens really wanted to push solar they would be pushing decentralized systems and not the massive farms. But as I pointed out in an earlier post, it's not about "saving the planet" it's about control and stuffing pockets.
 
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hog88 said:
If the greens really wanted to push solar they would be pushing decentralized systems and not the massive farms. But as I pointed out in an earlier post, it's not about "saving the planet" it's about control and stuffing pockets.
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It's the same issue nuclear power deals with, just not on the same scale. There are plenty of NIMBYs that dont want medium scale solar in their area because they are eye sores. Some neighborhoods and municipalities straight up dont allow single family PV arrays, it cuts into their bottom line. So the big collection farms are all that is left.

We even work with a developer who tries to put them in low income areas. Pays to install, pays the land owner, gives a credit each month to the tenant which is supposed to go towards power costs, and pays upkeep and repair. His idea is if he can string enough together he generates enough income selling power back to the utilities to make it worth while in 10 years. And even though he pays for it all, people still fight him on it, and he can rarely get enough to justify the upfront costs.
 
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LouderVol said:
Big G Green vs little g green.

My experience is they dont want to spend 20k on a solar array and switch but will drop 20k on a generator and a thousand gallon tank of fuel. Just like people wont spend 70k on a EV but will gladly spend 70k on a truck or SUV they only use for the grocery store.

The expense factor is relative.
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When practicality matters that’s what you do.
 
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LouderVol said:
It's the same issue nuclear power deals with, just not on the same scale. There are plenty of NIMBYs that dont want medium scale solar in their area because they are eye sores. Some neighborhoods and municipalities straight up dont allow single family PV arrays, it cuts into their bottom line. So the big collection farms are all that is left.

We even work with a developer who tries to put them in low income areas. Pays to install, pays the land owner, gives a credit each month to the tenant which is supposed to go towards power costs, and pays upkeep and repair. His idea is if he can string enough together he generates enough income selling power back to the utilities to make it worth while in 10 years. And even though he pays for it all, people still fight him on it, and he can rarely get enough to justify the upfront costs.
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an interesting twist on neighborhood rooftop solar panels currently taking place in Florida.....subsidies, credits, spreading out the costs to ratepayers who don't get the benefits of the panels.....who in the heck really knows what anything costs and who is paying for it anymore.

Fla. clampdown on rooftop solar heads to governor
 
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Smokey X said:
an interesting twist on neighborhood rooftop solar panels currently taking place in Florida.....subsidies, credits, spreading out the costs to ratepayers who don't get the benefits of the panels.....who in the heck really knows what anything costs and who is paying for it anymore.

Fla. clampdown on rooftop solar heads to governor
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That's crap. If the utility can charge one rate for the power they produce the people producing should also get paid the same rate. Especially if you think about peak production in the south is the summer which is also peak demand. Going solar is a two fold reduction for the utilities. 1. Power they dont have to provide to that house. 2. Outside energy they get to use on the peak elsewhere
 
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#538
C-south said:
When practicality matters that’s what you do.
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Again, define practicality for most people on any random day.

How often does the average American use their truck in a way they could not get from an EV? Most daily drivers arent going 250 miles in a day. Most daily drivers arent hauling their boat to the lake on their way to work. Most daily drivers dont need to cross some rocky terrain. Most daily drivers dont encounter a need for 4wd.

For the vast majority of people the choice is purely want. Which is fine, but the practicality thing seems like such a fine point to make when compared to actual use.
 
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LouderVol said:
Again, define practicality for most people on any random day.

How often does the average American use their truck in a way they could not get from an EV? Most daily drivers arent going 250 miles in a day. Most daily drivers arent hauling their boat to the lake on their way to work. Most daily drivers dont need to cross some rocky terrain. Most daily drivers dont encounter a need for 4wd.

For the vast majority of people the choice is purely want. Which is fine, but the practicality thing seems like such a fine point to make when compared to actual use.
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If I take trash off once a week. Go camping twice a year. Go to the lake every other weekend in the summer. If it may or may not snow any given year. If I have a 6 hour drive to go on vacation. All those things will be taken into account and it’s absolutely not practical to buy two vehicles just so you won’t have something to cry about when you see an F-250 at the grocery store.
 
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C-south said:
If I take trash off once a week. Go camping twice a year. Go to the lake every other weekend in the summer. If it may or may not snow any given year. If I have a 6 hour drive to go on vacation. All those things will be taken into account and it’s absolutely not practical to buy two vehicles just so you won’t have something to cry about when you see an F-250 at the grocery store.
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At 70k for these lifted limos I see, you could buy a beater truck to haul and a smaller car for daily use. It's not even an EV issue or cost item. It's a status symbol thing for 90% of those drivers.

Which is fine. I just dont get the defensiveness to EV.

Government wastes money on thing I support, no complaints. Government wastes money on something that ever so slightly, if you turn your head and squint, poses a slight risk to my lifestyle jts the end of the world.

Some people want EV, and the government is investing in that infrastructure. The horrors.
 
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LouderVol said:
At 70k for these lifted limos I see, you could buy a beater truck to haul and a smaller car for daily use. It's not even an EV issue or cost item. It's a status symbol thing for 90% of those drivers.

Which is fine. I just dont get the defensiveness to EV.

Government wastes money on thing I support, no complaints. Government wastes money on something that ever so slightly, if you turn your head and squint, poses a slight risk to my lifestyle jts the end of the world.

Some people want EV, and the government is investing in that infrastructure. The horrors.
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Nobody is defensive about EVs. They just aren’t practical or convenient for the vast majority. Also the label you want to put on people for buying a nice truck is the same label you could people who buy EVs. Of course you could do even better than an EV and invest in an old beater 10 speed bicycle.
 
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LouderVol said:
At 70k for these lifted limos I see, you could buy a beater truck to haul and a smaller car for daily use. It's not even an EV issue or cost item. It's a status symbol thing for 90% of those drivers.

Which is fine. I just dont get the defensiveness to EV.

Government wastes money on thing I support, no complaints. Government wastes money on something that ever so slightly, if you turn your head and squint, poses a slight risk to my lifestyle jts the end of the world.

Some people want EV, and the government is investing in that infrastructure. The horrors.
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What car do you drive, out of curiosity?
 
#544
#544
C-south said:
Nobody is defensive about EVs. They just aren’t practical or convenient for the vast majority. Also the label you want to put on people for buying a nice truck is the same label you could people who buy EVs. Of course you could do even better than an EV and invest in an old beater 10 speed bicycle.
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Thank you for finally catching up.

And you cant say you arent defensive about them, and then attack them in the next line.
 
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#546
LouderVol said:
Thank you for finally catching up.

And you cant say you arent defensive about them, and then attack them in the next line.
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Recognizing them for being impractical isn’t being defensive. You’re the one that’s defensive and tries to tell everyone what they need. I mean really who are you to try and tell people they’d be better off by buying this or that? I’m beginning to think a dude with a nice truck stole your girl.
 
#547
#547
Smokey X said:
seems like a great time to permanently shutdown approximately 2400 Megawatts of reliable nuke plant next year
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Speaking of which. The NRC has reversed the plant license extension for Turkey Point near Miami. Not sure if they are doing the same for other plants or not, but it could be the start of a bad trend.
 
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LouderVol said:
It's the same issue nuclear power deals with, just not on the same scale. There are plenty of NIMBYs that dont want medium scale solar in their area because they are eye sores. Some neighborhoods and municipalities straight up dont allow single family PV arrays, it cuts into their bottom line. So the big collection farms are all that is left.

We even work with a developer who tries to put them in low income areas. Pays to install, pays the land owner, gives a credit each month to the tenant which is supposed to go towards power costs, and pays upkeep and repair. His idea is if he can string enough together he generates enough income selling power back to the utilities to make it worth while in 10 years. And even though he pays for it all, people still fight him on it, and he can rarely get enough to justify the upfront costs.
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Legitimate power generating companies no doubt really enjoy having expensive plants sitting idle so they can meet demand when the sun isn't shining. Sure they save on some fuel cost, but it's probably like the economics of fire departments just on a bigger scale. Some stuff I'm seeing lately leads one to believe that there's now enough disruption by solar generation that it's really starting to affect real utilities in a negative way.
 
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AM64 said:
Speaking of which. The NRC has reversed the plant license extension for Turkey Point near Miami. Not sure if they are doing the same for other plants or not, but it could be the start of a bad trend.
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yeah I saw that as well....The Diablo Canyon thing though is totally self inflicted. putting those eggs totally in green supposedly
 
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