Electric Vehicles

[Vol423]

You don’t invest in tooling and 2 years later scrap it. you receive no return on your investment

Since liberals intend to squander taxpayer dollars on this type of stuff, they don't care.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Biden's electric vehicle push is doomed to failure, warn carmakers
Toyota said: “The proposed rule underestimates key challenges including the scarcity of minerals to make batteries, the fact that these minerals are not mined or refined in the US, the inadequate infrastructure, and the high cost of [battery electric vehicles].”

 

[GroverCleveland]

Think there will be payoffs to get these proposals to go all electric backed off?

 

[kiddiedoc]

Just hit the $100 spent charging last night. Not bad for nearly 3 months of driving!

 

[Sea Ray]

Just hit the $100 spent charging last night. Not bad for nearly 3 months of driving!

That is cool but I can buy a lot of gas for what you paid for that car. It's still not an economical deal to buy electric. If you wanna do it for other reasons, great

 

[LouderVol]

a video from battery-powered phone of a battery-powered vehicle, watched by viewers plugged in to and charged by the grid.

think of the relief to the grid, as more and more fuel pumps are taken off-market


How Gas Pumps Work | HowStuffWorks
The power that drives the pumps usually comes from the same electric grid that powers the lights and appliances in your home,

A whole 150 watts/hour per suction pump....I doubt you can even start a Telsa on that.

Remember a full charge on a Telsa is at least 100kWH, so you could run almost 667 gas stations per each Tesla. that multiplier is HUGE.

you guys really don't understand how "efficient" the rest of the system is. transmitting power as a liquid is much more efficient than a direct use fuel source (gas).

and thats not even considering the power loss inherent in our system. this is saying 67% loss, but I typically am told to calculate 60% to keep the math simple.
https://electrical-engineering-port...ion Losses is approximate 17,Technical Losses

so that Tesla really requires a lot more than is stated. each time you up/down phase transmitted electricity you lose more power due to inefficiency, and every single EV charger comes with its own transformer. so I could see it being more than 60% loss.

 

[Willy P]

This is a whole industry now. And a new one, at that. How many problems have been encountered and subsequently solved with internal combustion engines? I'm simply a consumer of a product that I like.

I do take issue with folks that are touting electric vehicles as some kind of environmental savior. I don't view my car that way. There are just as many people, if not more, that would like to take the time to explain why I'm stupid for buying one. That's the thing that's so interesting to me, how there's this huge "EV Fatigue" driving so many people crazy.

 

[LouderVol]

This is a whole industry now. And a new one, at that. How many problems have been encountered and subsequently solved with internal combustion engines? I'm simply a consumer of a product that I like.

I do take issue with folks that are touting electric vehicles as some kind of environmental savior. I don't view my car that way. There are just as many people, if not more, that would like to take the time to explain why I'm stupid for buying one. That's the thing that's so interesting to me, how there's this huge "EV Fatigue" driving so many people crazy.

its like so many things, if the government wasn't forcing it, most people on the right wouldn't care at all. But the government is forcing it. and you also get the Cross-fit complex people who can't shut up about how much better they and their car is, and don't fully understand the bs they are pushing.

 

[kiddiedoc]

That is cool but I can buy a lot of gas for what you paid for that car. It's still not an economical deal to buy electric. If you wanna do it for other reasons, great

With the tax credit, it was effectively priced at $47.5. For new cars, you can't get a whole lot for less than that, and certainly nothing that even begins to compare to its performance

 

[C-south]

With the tax credit, it was effectively priced at $47.5. For new cars, you can't get a whole lot for less than that, and certainly nothing that even begins to compare to its performance

Have they started delivering the truck yet? I don’t need one just want to piss louder off with having 3.

 

[GoDucks349]

With the tax credit, it was effectively priced at $47.5. For new cars, you can't get a whole lot for less than that, and certainly nothing that even begins to compare to its performance

I've been driving my Model Y since Nov 22 and love the performance. It's certainly fun knowing you don't have any "lag" like you do with a gas engine waiting for the power to the wheels.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Waiting for 'Buyers to Come’: Unsold Electric Vehicles Piling Up in Car Dealerships, Says Report

 

[Willy P]

Waiting for 'Buyers to Come’: Unsold Electric Vehicles Piling Up in Car Dealerships, Says Report

We visited the Tesla dealer a couple weeks ago and I was surprised to see actual inventory sitting there. Definitely hasn’t been the case that I’ve ever seen.

 

[NEO]

With the tax credit, it was effectively priced at $47.5. For new cars, you can't get a whole lot for less than that, and certainly nothing that even begins to compare to its performance

What did you get?

 

[AM64]

Biden's electric vehicle push is doomed to failure, warn carmakers
Toyota said: “The proposed rule underestimates key challenges including the scarcity of minerals to make batteries, the fact that these minerals are not mined or refined in the US, the inadequate infrastructure, and the high cost of [battery electric vehicles].”

Just another way for the Chinese to hold us hostage, and the thing is not all the ores used are mined in China. Countries including the US are letting Chinese firms mine and take away strategic assets. Pretty stupid policy.

 

[kiddiedoc]

What did you get?

Model 3 Performance

 

[NEO]

Model 3 Performance
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That’s pretty. My only concern with these is the battery. Thst goes bad and you are stuck it seems with a 30k repair.

The next boxster may be electric and I was considering it.

 

[kiddiedoc]

That’s pretty. My only concern with these is the battery. Thst goes bad and you are stuck it seems with a 30k repair.

The next boxster may be electric and I was considering it.

Thanks!

The current Tesla warranty on the 3 Performance is:

8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.

The claimed battery life is somewhere between 300k-500k miles. So, I'm not really worried about it.

 

[NEO]

Thanks!

The current Tesla warranty on the 3 Performance is:



The claimed battery life is somewhere between 300k-500k miles. So, I'm not really worried about it.

That’s a good warranty.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Electric Cars Are a Scam

The left likes to treat skeptics of electrical cars as if they were Luddites. Truth is, making an existing product less efficient but more expensive doesn't really meet the definition of innovation.


Even the purported amenities and technological advances EV makers like to brag about in their ads have been a regular feature of gas-powered vehicles going back generations. At best, EVs, if they fulfill their promise, are a lateral technology.

This is why there is no real "emerging market" for EVs in the United States as much as there's an industrial policy in place that props up EVs with government purchases, propaganda, state subsidies, cronyism, taxpayer-backed loans, and edicts. The green "revolution" is an elite-driven, top-down technocratic project.

And it's increasingly clear that the only reason giant rent-seeking carmakers are so heavily invested in EV development is that the government is promising to limit the production of gas-powered cars artificially.

Electric Cars Are a Scam

 

[UT-Rex]

Electric Cars Are a Scam

The left likes to treat skeptics of electrical cars as if they were Luddites. Truth is, making an existing product less efficient but more expensive doesn't really meet the definition of innovation.


Even the purported amenities and technological advances EV makers like to brag about in their ads have been a regular feature of gas-powered vehicles going back generations. At best, EVs, if they fulfill their promise, are a lateral technology.

This is why there is no real "emerging market" for EVs in the United States as much as there's an industrial policy in place that props up EVs with government purchases, propaganda, state subsidies, cronyism, taxpayer-backed loans, and edicts. The green "revolution" is an elite-driven, top-down technocratic project.

And it's increasingly clear that the only reason giant rent-seeking carmakers are so heavily invested in EV development is that the government is promising to limit the production of gas-powered cars artificially.

Electric Cars Are a Scam

a tech-comparison --

1947 (the early years):

"the original car phone weight about 80 pounds"
"only a limited number of people could use the service at a time, which meant 5-10 year waiting lists began to form"
"in 1973, Motorola ... showed what the future (of phones) would look like (yet) the phone took TEN HOURS to charge"

"(today's phones have come a long way from the) $10,000 DynaTec phone of 1983"

 

[Orangeburst]

a tech-comparison --

1947 (the early years):

"the original car phone weight about 80 pounds"
"only a limited number of people could use the service at a time, which meant 5-10 year waiting lists began to form"
"in 1973, Motorola ... showed what the future (of phones) would look like (yet) the phone took TEN HOURS to charge"

"(today's phones have come a long way from the) $10,000 DynaTec phone of 1983"

The government is artificially compressing the timeline to make everyone electric in next 5-10 years.
If you don’t see an issue with that, I don’t know what to tell you

 

[kiddiedoc]

The government is artificially compressing the timeline to make everyone electric in next 5-10 years.
If you don’t see an issue with that, I don’t know what to tell you

I don't really care what the government says. That's obviously a load of crap and completely impossible, given the current availability of superchargers, electrical grid, and number of long-range drivers.

 

[UT-Rex]

The government is artificially compressing the timeline to make everyone electric in next 5-10 years.
If you don’t see an issue with that, I don’t know what to tell you

2 thoughts --

a. are you confirming/agreeing that the Grid will handle everyone, at that time ?

b. did the gov't mandate a change from coal-burning house-heating, or did consumers over time slowly upgrade (or downgrade?) to better/worse technology (away from coal) ?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Electric vehicles Struggle to Hold Up amid Heat Wave roasting US

Electric vehicle owners can expect to take on additional preparations as the summer months heat up and vehicle performance declines.

It’s been documented that cold weather has been proven to impact the range of electric vehicles, causing some cars to lose up to 35% of their range in freezing conditions, as shown in a study conducted by Recurrent Auto.

As temperatures rise, EV batteries tend to degrade faster than expected and require a battery replacement, a Recurrent Auto study from March indicates. Heat can affect the life of Lithium-ion batteries, which most plug-in hybrids and nearly all-electric vehicles use.

“Once you’re above [104 degrees Fahrenheit] you start to have a breakdown of the passive emission layer on the anode, and that breakdown will then cause consumption of the liquid electrolyte, which will shorten the lifetime of your battery,” Greg Less, the technical director of the University of Michigan Battery Lab told Recurrent.

Electric vehicles struggle to hold up amid heat wave roasting US