Elzy no longer on staff

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DeerPark12 said:
Then don't post things that are ignorant.

Dean Lockwood is one of the most respected assistants in women's basketball and probably the best at scouting opponents in the game. If he was let go, he'd be out of work for about 10 minutes and whoever hired him would wonder what the hell UT was thinking letting him get away.
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Who respects him? What has he done to earn this respect besides work under Pat? I'm missing the post players that he turned into superstars. If he is so great why is Mercedes not as dominant as she could be because she obviously has the skills. I'm not saying he's terrible but maybe you overvalue him a bit.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Or, the coaches crafted a gameplan (and made adjustments) based on the scout and input and the players didn't execute them.

People that are for whatever reason predisposed to not like Holly can come up with whatever theory they want. They underachieved in the regular season, but still reached the Elite Eight.

But, as I see in this thread, no matter what I say, it is going to be called "orange-colored glasses" or the "company line" or whatever. Not worth arguing about.

If ya'll want to actively root against a head coach at Tennessee that has won three SEC titles and finished in the Elite Eight in three out of four years, then I guess that's your business. People accuse me of not seeing the forrest for the trees, but I think it's the other way around. At the end of the season, UT was in it's usual spot in the second weekend of the tournament. No January loss to Florida or lackluster performance against Arkansas changed that. Yet, some people want to judge her for the process, rather than the actual result.
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three straight times in the elite eight--to teams that were solid/good but hardly great. Our usual spot is not outside of the final four for a decade. Imagine you are coaching a high jumper who consistently cleared 6'10 in height. Then, she starts faltering and can't get over a '6'5 bar--and you react by telling fans, 'Look, she's cleared 6'5" in the last three meets! That's good." Not if you'd cleared 6'10" many times. We have high standards, and they shouldn't be lowered to accommodate our diminishing performance level.
 
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armchair said:
three straight times in the elite eight--to teams that were solid/good but hardly great. Our usual spot is not outside of the final four for a decade. Imagine you are coaching a high jumper who consistently cleared 6'10 in height. Then, she starts faltering and can't get over a '6'5 bar--and you react by telling fans, 'Look, she's cleared 6'5" in the last three meets! That's good." Not if you'd cleared 6'10" many times. We have high standards, and they shouldn't be lowered to accommodate our diminishing performance level.
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Amen! Airchair!
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Or, the coaches crafted a gameplan (and made adjustments) based on the scout and input and the players didn't execute them.

People that are for whatever reason predisposed to not like Holly can come up with whatever theory they want. They underachieved in the regular season, but still reached the Elite Eight.

But, as I see in this thread, no matter what I say, it is going to be called "orange-colored glasses" or the "company line" or whatever. Not worth arguing about.

If ya'll want to actively root against a head coach at Tennessee that has won three SEC titles and finished in the Elite Eight in three out of four years, then I guess that's your business. People accuse me of not seeing the forrest for the trees, but I think it's the other way around. At the end of the season, UT was in it's usual spot in the second weekend of the tournament. No January loss to Florida or lackluster performance against Arkansas changed that. Yet, some people want to judge her for the process, rather than the actual result.
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The "actual result"....seriously.....you are better than this Deer......ask CPF what "accepting" low expectations got him?
 
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dapeak, I agree on the overvalue of Lockwood, based on what I see from Mercedes. I have only ever seen one post move. I have never seen Mercedes agressively go up for a one handed rebound. Frequently, Turner and Allen at ND execute an alley oop pass,score. Not a part of the UTenn offense. IMHO, you can't count on a shot blocking defense of the rim from Mercedes. I know you can't teach height, but I know you can teach to play big.
UTenn not only needs a post addition, but also huge improvement from the current post.
 
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Rixxx said:
dapeak, I agree on the overvalue of Lockwood, based on what I see from Mercedes. I have only ever seen one post move. I have never seen Mercedes agressively go up for a one handed rebound. Frequently, Turner and Allen at ND execute an alley oop pass,score. Not a part of the UTenn offense. IMHO, you can't count on a shot blocking defense of the rim from Mercedes. I know you can't teach height, but I know you can teach to play big.
UTenn not only needs a post addition, but also huge improvement from the current post.
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Hard to say it but even as the #1 overall recruit in America couple of years back Mercedes is still a liability for us in the post on the grand scale of things.... we need aggression we need rebounds.... we need the fire in a post player..... and of course offensive moves..... also do not know for the life of me why she has been playing defense on the 3 pt line..... it would be one thing if her defense was effective but that is not the case..... much rather have her playing under the basket for rebounds even if she is gentle like a lamb
 
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They can change every assistant on the staff and it will do nothing to address the real problem.
 
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dillyo51 said:
Does anyone know why Al Brown was let go? He was a very good assistant coach.
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It's been speculated that he didn't like to spend as much time on the road recruiting as Pat Summitt wanted. You're right that he was a very good coach and the players seemed to really like him.
 
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LasVegasBill23 said:
Hard to say it but even as the #1 overall recruit in America couple of years back Mercedes is still a liability for us in the post on the grand scale of things.... we need aggression we need rebounds.... we need the fire in a post player..... and of course offensive moves..... also do not know for the life of me why she has been playing defense on the 3 pt line..... it would be one thing if her defense was effective but that is not the case..... much rather have her playing under the basket for rebounds even if she is gentle like a lamb
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Simmons had passion and fire--and so did Burdick--but this team had almost nobody with a warrior spirit. Graves showed it occasionally, I think Reynolds has a little--and that's about it. We need some players with swagger and zest for the game. Or, at the least, have some fun out there. We need that from DeShields, for sure. She was focused in the tournament--a different player--and we need to see that consistently, along with some leadership and passion, next year. It would help us a lot.
 
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armchair said:
Simmons had passion and fire--and so did Burdick--but this team had almost nobody with a warrior spirit. Graves showed it occasionally, I think Reynolds has a little--and that's about it. We need some players with swagger and zest for the game. Or, at the least, have some fun out there. We need that from DeShields, for sure. She was focused in the tournament--a different player--and we need to see that consistently, along with some leadership and passion, next year. It would help us a lot.
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Question is will the Head Coach allow her to be or will she continue to force her to play in a non-existent system?
 
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armchair said:
Was Elzy the recruiting coordinator?

Also, who was/is the No. 1 assistant on this staff? You should have a comer in the position--someone who has chops and the potential to be a head coach sooner rather than later. Elzy might have fit that description but i don't think she was the No. 1. That's how you build a coaching tree: you hire crack assistants, some leave for head gigs and have the potential to return--or they have the potential to take over the head job if the veteran retires or gets sacked. PS never really created a good coaching tree because her assistants all stayed too long--see Warlick, and DeMoss was the No. 1 for a long time before eventually leaving for a head gig. Neither Law nor Lockwood are ideal No. 1s, that's for sure. The truth is, we need a top-to-bottom staff overhaul.

If Elzy was the recruiting coordinator, I have to believe there was tension about the debacle this year--HW might have been displeased. But then Elzy might have been equally displeased with the clusterf--k that was this team this year, and was probably not exactly thrilled with the entire situation. I suspect too that HW is a rather insecure head coach; in fact, that has been obvious since day 1. Lockwood and Law are probably loyal to her--because nobody is beating down the door to hire away either of them--but Elzy was different, and so perhaps we had one ambitious coach with potential on a veteran staff that's not been doing a good job. That might have been a volatile dynamic that precipitated this, and surely the recruiting situation was another factor. What was a weak staff overall is now even weaker, unless Elzy just wasn't good as a recruiter. But recruiting cuts both ways. The program needs a strong recruiting coordinator--and the recruiting coordinator needs a program that is going well and thus attractive to recruits.
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The recruiting coordinator gets them to campus but the head coach has to seal the deal. I wouldn't play for her. This program will be in a shambles before she leaves.
 
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armchair said:
Simmons had passion and fire--and so did Burdick--but this team had almost nobody with a warrior spirit. Graves showed it occasionally, I think Reynolds has a little--and that's about it. We need some players with swagger and zest for the game. Or, at the least, have some fun out there. We need that from DeShields, for sure. She was focused in the tournament--a different player--and we need to see that consistently, along with some leadership and passion, next year. It would help us a lot.
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That swagger has to come from the head coach and permeate the team. Holly's a wall flower.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Or, the coaches crafted a gameplan (and made adjustments) based on the scout and input and the players didn't execute them.

People that are for whatever reason predisposed to not like Holly can come up with whatever theory they want. They underachieved in the regular season, but still reached the Elite Eight.

But, as I see in this thread, no matter what I say, it is going to be called "orange-colored glasses" or the "company line" or whatever. Not worth arguing about.

If ya'll want to actively root against a head coach at Tennessee that has won three SEC titles and finished in the Elite Eight in three out of four years, then I guess that's your business. People accuse me of not seeing the forrest for the trees, but I think it's the other way around. At the end of the season, UT was in it's usual spot in the second weekend of the tournament. No January loss to Florida or lackluster performance against Arkansas changed that. Yet, some people want to judge her for the process, rather than the actual result.
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Anybody who wants to defend a piss poor head coach at the expense of the program is no fan of the program. She's horrible.
 
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dillyo51 said:
Does anyone know why Al Brown was let go? He was a very good assistant coach.
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When Al Brown was here in the 90s/early 2000s, only three of your four coaches could recruit off-campus. He did not recruit at all. When the rule changed, he elected to go to another program where he would not have to recruit.
 
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armchair said:
Simmons had passion and fire--and so did Burdick--but this team had almost nobody with a warrior spirit. Graves showed it occasionally, I think Reynolds has a little--and that's about it. We need some players with swagger and zest for the game. Or, at the least, have some fun out there. We need that from DeShields, for sure. She was focused in the tournament--a different player--and we need to see that consistently, along with some leadership and passion, next year. It would help us a lot.
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Armchair, agreed 100%..... and of course passion doesn't mean the expectation that everyone has to pop uppers.... (that was a joke).... just that everyone has to be extremely committed to the common cause and never ever waver from it....

Meighan was passionate.... loved that about her.... my frustration was that she was gunning it too much... not getting teammates involved.... have no idea if that was a sanctioned by the coaching staff I have to think it was, because she wasn't ever taken out of the game..... Many in the Orange Nation say that she shot ball so much because everyone else was reticent.... gets me even more frustrated... if true.... then we need an overhaul.... cause ALL 5 on the floor need to be competent on both offense and defense ... we cannot have role players out there!!!!

and DD needs to be a net plus for us.... 20 points doesn't help us when it comes with 8 TOs on the stat sheet... I know I am in the minority here perhaps.... but as mercurial as she is to watch..... she has to protect the rock
 
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livefaith said:
Remember the large assistant exodus after year 2 for Dools? Remember how much he had to pay for a DC, and remember what he got for the price? This has similar markers, although it's post year 4 for CHW. Two things come to mind about the current assistants and next ones.
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that was because Hart wouldn't give any contract extensions,so Wilcox and company left

so there is a lot of speculation on why and nobody knows what has happened ?
 
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"...because she was never taken out of the game."../.Yes, Meighan Simmons was taken out of the game many, many times...saw many of her games...was one of my favorite lady vols ever. She almost single handedly beat Louisville when The Yum center opened her freshman year. Pat loved Meighan, said she never saw a shot she didn't like, and said that affectionately, but some speculated that one of the assistant coaches didn't like Meighan...don't know whether true or not. Meighan wasn't afraid to take "the big shot" when many on those teams were. She took a lot criticism, she could drive to the rim and create her own shot...and she was very frustrated with the "get the ball tpo the posts" at any cost system. She loved
Tennessee, she loved Pat, she was one of the toughest LV players ever pound for pound.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
But, as I see in this thread, no matter what I say, it is going to be called "orange-colored glasses" or the "company line" or whatever. Not worth arguing about.
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don't be thinking that :) a lot of us on here like your post,I know I do :hi:

I don't get all the CHW hate either,people act like getting to the Elite 8 is an easy thing to do,it isn't,I thought during this past season,that it was a lack of execution by the players,the open shots were there to be made,we all seen them consistently turn the ball over on some really dumb ass pass attempts

if Tyler had wanted to be groomed for the head coach job at UT,he should have went into coaching at UT,which he didn't do,I'm not sure if he would want to come to UT and put up with a crap load of pressure just because of his last name from the Fans

he may come to UT,who knows? we will have to wait and see who CHW decides to hire,I'm sure her first list will probably be heavy on former Lady Vols,but that is just a guess on my part
 
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"Yet, some people want to judge her for the process, rather than the actual result."...The result was that she is the head coach of a LV team that lost more games than any other LV team in LV history...with one of the most talented teams ever assembled in LV history! She has a losing record against UT Chattanooga! She signed 0...0...0...players for the incoming class. She pouts and sits at the end of the bench in the 2nd half of a game for heaven's sake. She had NO head coaching experience...NONE. The PROCESS is very troubling to LV fans who have followed this team for decades! And the RESULTS weren't all that great...the first time that I ever turned off the TV during a game when watching, because the RESULTS were too often very ugly...and maybe the 1st time in history that people got up and excited the arena before the end of a game.
 
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UTLadyvolsfan said:
The ship has not sunk. Look at the run we made in the NCAA's. I don't think ASU was impressive, and their genetics and style of play was tailor made for a Tennessee smack down. But we beat em soundly and they were a 2 seed. OSU was an impressive win as well. We got it together in the NCAA's and were very close to the final 4.

It seems like the team finally got it together. Does Holly get no credit for that? The regular season was repulsive, but the NCAA's for us was pretty good considering where we started.

Next year should be very interesting. I bet we start the season about #15 and if we play like we did in the NCAA's, will be a top 6-7 team by the end of the year. Given all that SC loses, I would not be surprised to see us and Mississippi State finish ahead of the next year. They may have A'ja but we have Diamond, Mercedes and T'ea. Not to mention I think Nared is going to be terrific next year too.

With regards to Elzy, no idea what to make of it. She may be on the short list for HC jobs, but she does not have one yet and to leave like she did smells fishy. Something else is going on. She may love Tennessee, but there's more to the story than has been reported.
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Well I like your outlook and only wish I had the same, but, no matter which way we cut it, Holly is simply not the one to lead us to the promise land. I certainly look at reaching the the Elite 8 as being very good but it certainly should have been better with the 5 stars we had. We should never have gotten to the point where we were hanging by our nails and even making the tournament was in question at one point. I hope your outlook is correct, however, I have serious doubts.
 
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teacherdean said:
Well I like your outlook and only wish I had the same, but, no matter which way we cut it, Holly is simply not the one to lead us to the promise land. I certainly look at reaching the the Elite 8 as being very good but it certainly should have been better with the 5 stars we had. We should never have gotten to the point where we were hanging by our nails and even making the tournament was in question at one point. I hope your outlook is correct, however, I have serious doubts.
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let's not forget about the 3 injuries in the Sweet 16 either,i do believe it had a lot to do with there play,I personally think it would have made a difference in the game,now whether they would of won or not is a different thing

CHW teams seem to be really banged up when it is Tournament time or injuries occur during it
 
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Hokievol - The highlighted part of your statement is factually incorrect -

Geno is an example, accused of sexual harassment by the head of security for the USA Women's Olympic Team, charges eventually dropped, settled out of court...

There was no settlement.
 
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