ESPN Profit Plummets As Network Turns Left

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This piece matters because a somewhat glorified beat writer is qualified to understand the cyclical processes that take place on the macro economic "Fortune 500" level and has no agenda against a company that provides competition for his salary dollars.
 
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vfl_gbo said:
Along with the Caitlyn Jenner thing, the Michael Sams coverage during the draft and subsequent kiss really turned me off to ESPN. I really don't care if you're gay or straight, just keep it out of my face please. I tuned in for draft coverage not to be inundated or conditioned to accept something that has been recognized in the Bible as something Unholy.

So here we are, do we go against something we have been told our whole lives or accept it for what it is?
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Funny how the Bible is usually brought up when discussing homosexuality, as if that's the only thing the Bible considers "unholy".

Pre-marital sex is also considered unholy in the Bible. Somehow no one holds it against Tom Brady, Larry Bird, Steve Garvey, or a good portion of the NFL/NBA/MLB. How many illegitimate kids did Travis Henry have when he helped win you guys a national title? Pretty sure none of you cared how many.

Racists argue several Bible passages say interracial relationships are unholy. Go ahead and reserve my unholy place in hell for thinking Halle Berry, Olivia Munn, Rashida Jones, Zoe Saldana and Jessica Alba are all smoking hot...oops, looks like I violated one of the commandments right there...

Gotta love that selective Bible usage. :eek:lol:
 
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lawgator1 said:
I am bumping my own earlier post on this. I saw it again last night on ESPN, right after brackets came out. Male host asking female about her thoughts on UCLA and she made inane, generic comments about defense. It was obvious in 3 seconds she knew none of the players' names, or anything about the subject matter.

Just so tiresome.
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ESPN is turning into a series of talk shows with different people discussing the same sports stories over and over again. It's repetitive and boring.

Couple that with all the available options in getting your sports highlights...the very thing ESPN was built on...and it's no big shock subscriber numbers are down.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Funny how the Bible is usually brought up when discussing homosexuality, as if that's the only thing the Bible considers "unholy".

Pre-marital sex is also considered unholy in the Bible. Somehow no one holds it against Tom Brady, Larry Bird, Steve Garvey, or a good portion of the NFL/NBA/MLB. How many illegitimate kids did Travis Henry have when he helped win you guys a national title? Pretty sure none of you cared how many.

Racists argue several Bible passages say interracial relationships are unholy. Go ahead and reserve my unholy place in hell for thinking Halle Berry, Olivia Munn and Jessica Alba are all smoking hot...oops, looks like I violated one of the commandments right there...

Gotta love that selective Bible usage. :eek:lol:
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LW, stay away from Olivia Munn. She is mine! :)
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Funny how the Bible is usually brought up when discussing homosexuality, as if that's the only thing the Bible considers "unholy".

Pre-marital sex is also considered unholy in the Bible. Somehow no one holds it against Tom Brady, Larry Bird, Steve Garvey, or a good portion of the NFL/NBA/MLB. How many illegitimate kids did Travis Henry have when he helped win you guys a national title? Pretty sure none of you cared how many.

Racists argue several Bible passages say interracial relationships are unholy. Go ahead and reserve my unholy place in hell for thinking Halle Berry, Olivia Munn, Rashida Jones, Zoe Saldana and Jessica Alba are all smoking hot...oops, looks like I violated one of the commandments right there...

Gotta love that selective Bible usage. :eek:lol:
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Don't want to get into what "racist" think is in the bible, but I still struggle to see the sports content value of watching Bruce Jenner receive the courage espy in his new evening gown. Trying to make the connection between sports and "coming out" is a stretch I lot of folks would find hard to absorb.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
Don't want to get into what "racist" think is in the bible, but I still struggle to see the sports content value of watching Bruce Jenner receive the courage espy in his new evening gown. Trying to make the connection between sports and "coming out" is a stretch I lot of folks would find hard to absorb.
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You can always choose not to watch the ESPYs if Bruce Jenner in drag bothers you...problem solved right there. It's not as thought he/she/it hosts the 11pm SportsCenter every night.

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of using the Bible when it fits your particular area of discomfort/disagreement (homosexuality), but ignoring the Bible when it's in direct conflict with other "sins" that don't make people as uncomfortable, to the point where those transgressions are all but ignored (pre-marital sex).

If you don't like drag queens on ESPN, just say you don't like drag queens on ESPN.

Leave the Bible out of it...unless you treat all sins/commandments referenced in the Bible (and the sinners who commit/violate them) exactly the same. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.
 
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I quit listening to ESPN because of its hard left stance. Anyone who thinks it's not an ultra liberal organization is not listening. I'm not mad at them, but it's my right to stop listening. As for the guy who says it's a selective bible stance against homosexuality, they didn't give Steve Garvey or Travis Henry an award for pre marital sex like Caitlyn Jenner. I'm against all behavior that is condemned in the Bible , but homosexuality seems to be the one most celebrated , therefore it gets the most critism
 
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Grand Vol said:
You do have to admit they went pretty overboard with the Sams draft thing. Had he been a straight guy, he never would have gotten the media attention he did.
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"hide yo kids, hide yo wife" because we are sensitive little snowflakes who can't deal with a gay smooch
 
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sport111 said:
I quit listening to ESPN because of its hard left stance. Anyone who thinks it's not an ultra liberal organization is not listening. I'm not mad at them, but it's my right to stop listening. As for the guy who says it's a selective bible stance against homosexuality, they didn't give Steve Garvey or Travis Henry an award for pre marital sex like Caitlyn Jenner. I'm against all behavior that is condemned in the Bible , but homosexuality seems to be the one most celebrated , therefore it gets the most critism
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Give me a break...it's like you're not even attempting to pay attention.

One of the most popular TV shows right now is about a black woman having an ongoing affair with the President of the United States (Scandal).

There's also a popular reality show where a young single guy gets to work his way through a harem full of women...having sex with more than a few...before choosing his alleged soul mate (Bachelor). Flip the genders...same thing (Bachelorette).

It's nonsense to suggest homosexuality is as "celebrated" on television as much as rampant promiscuity and extra-marital relationships that's been a staple of prime time television for the past 40 years. Are you old enough to remember the TV show "Dallas" and all the shenanigans that went on every episode? :eek:lol:

Homosexuality just bothers many people more than adultery or pre-marital sex. Don't be afraid to admit it.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
You can always choose not to watch the ESPYs if Bruce Jenner in drag bothers you...problem solved right there. It's not as thought he/she/it hosts the 11pm SportsCenter every night.

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of using the Bible when it fits your particular area of discomfort/disagreement (homosexuality), but ignoring the Bible when it's in direct conflict with other "sins" that don't make people as uncomfortable, to the point where those transgressions are all but ignored (pre-marital sex).

If you don't like drag queens, just say you don't like drag queens.

Leave the Bible out of it...unless you treat all sins/commandments referenced in the Bible (and the sinners who commit/violate them) exactly the same. Otherwise you're a hypocrite.
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You qualified everything about my comments but why sports content and "drag queens" are one and the same to ESPN.

I did stipulate, leaving the expression "racist" and "bible" out of it. So, my comments weren't going there.

My issue isn't how often ESPN repeats themselves or you can always turn it off. I legitimately asked you, what sport has to do with "drag queens"?

You are welcome to take another shot at it.
 
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Are we talking about ESPN or nighttime soaps. I think the thread is about ESPN losing profits. But if you want to talk about the other stuff , I disagree with that just as much. I don't watch that either. I am amazed at how the Bible creates such emotion in the argument though. Shows how powerful it is
 
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TUSKtimes said:
You qualified everything about my comments but why sports content and "drag queens" are one and the same to ESPN.

I did stipulate, leaving the expression "racist" and "bible" out of it. So, my comments weren't going there.

My issue isn't how often ESPN repeats themselves or you can always turn it off. I legitimately asked you, what sport has to do with "drag queens"?

You are welcome to take another shot at it.
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ESPN = (The) Entertainment (and) Sports Programming Network

Therefore ESPN reserves the right to fill airtime based on what they consider "entertainment", even if it means giving a meaningless award to a former world class athlete who wants to be a drag queen four decades removed from his greatest athletic accomplishment.
 
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n_huffhines said:
"hide yo kids, hide yo wife" because we are sensitive little snowflakes who can't deal with a gay smooch
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Yeah, because I even brought that up.

Run out of arguments and can't actually address what I posted? You're slipping. Next thing I know you'll be pulling the bigotry card and asking if I still beat my wife.

I stopped beating her last week, FTR.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Yeah, because I even brought that up.

Run out of arguments and can't actually address what I posted? You're slipping. Next thing I know you'll be pulling the bigotry card and asking if I still beat my wife.

I stopped beating her last week, FTR.
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Lol
 
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I don't think the analysis includes SEC Network and soon to launch ACC Network. If we are talking solely of ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU/ESPNClassics, the then you have a few months of college football, and 16 Monday night NFL games. After that what can you what watch, worth watching? ... Soccer?

I'm getting older (early 50's) and I don't watch as much sports but I still watch every College Football game that I can and most NFL games. But I don't watch basketball or baseball much anymore. I only watched Hockey a few years and NASCAR has nearly ruined their sport with too many cookie cutter tracks, car of tomorrow, asphalt at Bristol, and letting the deep pockets of toyleta far outspend the other manufacturers.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
ESPN = (The) Entertainment (and) Sports Programming Network

Therefore ESPN reserves the right to fill airtime based on what they consider "entertainment", even if it means giving a meaningless award to a former world class athlete who wants to be a drag queen four decades removed from his greatest athletic accomplishment.
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I was being legit. I've never heard anyone try to make the argument that sport and "drag queens" work, short of Bruce joining the LPGA someday.

Some would argue that Bruce marrying into the Kardashians was his greatest post-Olympic accomplishment, but I have no science on that.
 
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HuntlandVolinColo said:
NFL wise, I would Imagine ESPN got burned on the anti-American douche QB from the 49's.

I wouldn't watch a game with him in it, even if it was against the Titans, Broncos or Cowboys!

I did the same with Brandon Marshall playing for the Broncos and complained to Air Academy Federal Credit Union until they withdrew his lucrative sponsorship.

Credit union with ties to military ends deal with Broncos LB after he kneels during anthem
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Meh...if your decision on whether or not to watch an NFL game was based on what a back-up QB does (or doesn't do) before the game even starts, you weren't that big a fan in the first place.

The majority of us are CFB fans first, and I'm no different. NFL RedZone is background noise for me on Sunday after recovering from watching CFB from noon to midnight on Saturday.

Bottom line, ESPN sucks now, but if our teams are playing on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU, etc...we're watching ESPN.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Bottom line, ESPN sucks now, but if our teams are playing on ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU, etc...we're watching ESPN.
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Exactly. And live sports is what ESPN wants you to watch as that's where they make up most of their ad revenue. If you were to ask an ESPN exec whether he'd rather you watch a random college football game between 2 MAC schools or that night's Sportscenter, he would pick Maction every time.
 
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bamawriter said:
Exactly. And live sports is what ESPN wants you to watch as that's where they make up most of their ad revenue. If you were to ask an ESPN exec whether he'd rather you watch a random college football game between 2 MAC schools or that night's Sportscenter, he would pick Maction every time.
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Bowling Green vs Toledo FOR THE WIN!!!
 
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I generally listen to sports radio or watch espn for sports coverage. There has recently been more and more politics, discussion on racism, feminism, etc. I don't mind it some but at a certain point it gets annoying.
 
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