ESPN says Texas A&M, Mizzou, Clemson, FSU to join SEC

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My prediction:

TAMU
Va. Tech
Maryland
Missouri

That who I think joins the SEC.
 
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Then:

Oklahoma
Kansas
Oklahoma State
Kansas State

to the Pac-12
 
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All I know is two things:

The Big XII is done

The ACC is not far behind
 
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TrueOrange said:
They'd take texas tech and someone else before they'd take KU and KSU
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KU brings basketball. Of course, this is all being dominated by football.

Would KU leave Kansas State behind? Or could Kansas and KSU join the Big 10+2?

Maybe KU forgets KSU, then the Pac-12 takes Texas Tech to get a market in Texas?

It's all very interesting.
 
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I think Virginia is an underdog in all this. They bring a pretty good size market, even though Va. Tech is the better athletic program.
 
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SIAP but I didn't want to take the time read through all these posts. A theory among some sportswriters is that Texas doesn't want to be the one to break up" the Big 12. They would actually welcome A&M's departure so they could go independent like they want to all along. Also, Maryland is being talked about because of the large D.C. market. There's no real way to judge what will happen too accurately. The SEC presidents are meeting this week I think to vote on expansion. Maybe that will give us a better idea as to how many more schools they are looking at. Until that vote, no school has been accepted.
 
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I don't know who this guy is but he thinks Mizzou has an offer on the table from the SEC and has until tomorrow to accept.

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TAMU and Mizzou are coming to the SEC. I have almost no doubt.

It's whether the SEC decides to go to 16 teams and who the other two are that will get interesting.
 
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UTVOL02 said:
I don't know who this guy is but he thinks Mizzou has an offer on the table from the SEC and has until tomorrow to accept.

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It makes too much sense for Mizzou to join the SEC. They bring the St. Louis/Kansas City markets, they have a good athletic program, they are good academically, and they are close enough South to where location wouldn't be a big issue. Plus they would have a natural rivalry with Arkansas.
 
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Texas will be the biggest looser in all this IMO. Other conferences will almost certainly do this same expansion, and UTjr. will be left out with no one wanting to really play good OOC school like Texas. With so many conference games They'll be wanting to schedule cupcake teams.
 
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zjcvols said:
It makes too much sense for Mizzou to join the SEC. They bring the St. Louis/Kansas City markets, they have a good athletic program, they are good academically, and they are close enough South to where location wouldn't be a big issue. Plus they would have a natural rivalry with Arkansas.
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The Mizzou/Arkansas basketball rivalry would be awesome. Mike Anderson is not very well liked (to say the least) by Missouri fans.
 
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zjcvols said:
KU brings basketball. Of course, this is all being dominated by football.

Would KU leave Kansas State behind? Or could Kansas and KSU join the Big 10+2?

Maybe KU forgets KSU, then the Pac-12 takes Texas Tech to get a market in Texas?

It's all very interesting.
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there's no forced KSU/KU tie like OU/OKST as far as i know

they bring basketball, but if you remember/noticed last summer, that did nothing at all in any manner so much towards getting them any invites (the big 10 wasn't looking at them; the 5 or so teams going to the pac-10 didn't include them....they were expected at best to be in the mountain west or some "new big 12" pretty much made up of some MWC/CUSA/WAC teams)

It's not so much that it's being driven by football, but more that it's being money driven. And, unfortunately for the pure-basketball heavy schools, there's just not as revenue-potential heavy as some people either like to think or want to believe.

And the Pac-10 wasn't just taking teams for a number....even Colorado had a significant reason (Denver)
 
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TrueOrange said:
there's no forced KSU/KU tie like OU/OKST as far as i know

they bring basketball, but if you remember/noticed last summer, that did nothing at all in any manner so much towards getting them any invites (the big 10 wasn't looking at them; the 5 or so teams going to the pac-10 didn't include them....they were expected at best to be in the mountain west or some "new big 12" pretty much made up of some MWC/CUSA/WAC teams)

It's not so much that it's being driven by football, but more that it's being money driven. And, unfortunately for the pure-basketball heavy schools, there's just not as revenue-potential heavy as some people either like to think or want to believe.

And the Pac-10 wasn't just taking teams for a number....even Colorado had a significant reason (Denver)
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Exactly. Texas wants it's own network, and to even broadcast high school games. Other Big 12 schools oppose that. The Pac 12 and Big 10 will have to follow the SEC in order to "keep up". I would expect the PAC 12 to go after OU and OSU Maybe KU as well. IMO the pecking order for expansion is #1 Money - #2 Fan opinion - #3 Competition between schools.
 
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Vols4life said:
You don't understand today's world then...its all about TV money is why Mizzou would be added
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Respectfully,
St Louis and Kansas City are PRO markets. They don't give a crap about the Missouri Tigers. It's all about the Cardinals, Royals, Chiefs, Blues, and Rams. That's like Big10 fans saying Rutgers gives them the NYC market. Nobody in NYC cares about Rutgers. Its all about the pro sports. Yanks, Mets, Knicks, Jets, Giants, etc.

The other problem with adding all these new teams is that it'll make coming to a concensus on governing that much more difficult. I don't want so many teams that alliances start forming. That's part of the reason I think it would be a nightmare to add OU and OSU. They'd form a western voting block with ATM, Arky, and LSU and ideologically split the conference.
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
Can you imagine what the fans thought when Neyland opened up the passing game, geez. Probably whats in bold, and it happened in the 50's, 70's, 80's 90's and now. So its a reciprocating issue. I understand, but college football is not going to be ruined. If you want to blame someone, blame Roy Kramer for expanding to 12 teams and changing the face of college football by having a championship game.
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Comparing the forward pass to this hardly seems fair. If they were doing all this for the sake of competition or to fix some kind of problem, fine. But this is entirely about money. And the money is what I believe is gonna ruin it for me. These kids get a free ride through college and they seem to think they deserve to be paid. Not all of them but I'd say a big part of them do.
 
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Voldemonium said:
Respectfully,
St Louis and Kansas City are PRO markets. They don't give a crap about the Missouri Tigers. It's all about the Cardinals, Royals, Chiefs, Blues, and Rams. That's like Big10 fans saying Rutgers gives them the NYC market. Nobody in NYC cares about Rutgers. Its all about the pro sports. Yanks, Mets, Knicks, Jets, Giants, etc.

The other problem with adding all these new teams is that it'll make coming to a concensus on governing that much more difficult. I don't want so many teams that alliances start forming. That's part of the reason I think it would be a nightmare to add OU and OSU. They'd form a western voting block with ATM, Arky, and LSU and ideologically split the conference.
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That is just false. KC and STL are pro cities and do care more about the chiefs/rams/cardinals (no not the royals though) than they do about Mizzou. But it isn't the east coast, college football is still a VERY big thing in Missouri. As someone who has lived there, I promise
 
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Missouri loves their college sports. I would love to have Mizzou in conference. That means there will be some rivalry between my wifes family and I.
 
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volfan4evr said:
Exactly. Texas wants it's own network, and to even broadcast high school games. Other Big 12 schools oppose that. The Pac 12 and Big 10 will have to follow the SEC in order to "keep up". I would expect the PAC 12 to go after OU and OSU Maybe KU as well. IMO the pecking order for expansion is #1 Money - #2 Fan opinion - #3 Competition between schools.
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The Big 10 is actually already beating us money wise; take a look at their markets (I can post them later if you'd like)


it was their surprising success with their network subscriptions in "regional" cities that really led to Texas deciding that making its own network was both feasible, profitable, and a good idea, as well as the SEC to make its deal with ESPN......kind of too what eventually set in movement all these realignment talks and all these moves

But it's like the one (could argue only) thing they actually do better than this conference




you're right though; that would pretty much summarize the pecking order of the way these things work; presuming a move to 16 teams, the Pac & Big10 would in turn make moves following to play catch up in team number and raise their revenues
 
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