ESPN says Texas A&M, Mizzou, Clemson, FSU to join SEC

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M-I-Z-V-O-L said:
That is just false. KC and STL are pro cities and do care more about the chiefs/rams/cardinals (no not the royals though) than they do about Mizzou. But it isn't the east coast, college football is still a VERY big thing in Missouri. As someone who has lived there, I promise
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Here's a question for you; Speaking as Missouri resident, if the average Missouri citizen had the option of attending a football game on the weekend which would they go see? Tigers, Chiefs, or Rams? Honest question?

UT has tons of folks drive 6hrs from Memphis to Knoxville to attend games. You have to understand that in the south (with the recent exception of the Titans & Panthers) there were no pro sports so college is king. My family's from TN and I'm still a Redskins fan. If the Titans win cool but when they lose my day isn't ruined the least bit.

Don't misunderstand I'm not disparaging MU, I simply don't think it fits or moves the excitement needle. It belongs in the B10 West playing Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois, Wisconsin, & Minny. The SEC already has 2 schools in UK & Vandy that don't give a flip about football why add a third? Might as well use that on a Duke/UNC package deal.
 
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I lived in St. Louis for 7 years and although it is a Pro town, there are lots of Mizzou fans on both the MO and IL sides of the river.
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Voldemonium said:
Here's a question for you; Speaking as Missouri resident, if the average Missouri citizen had the option of attending a football game on the weekend which would they go see? Tigers, Chiefs, or Rams? Honest question? Columbia is a college town about the size of Murfreesboro, TN. Can you even get a flight directly there?

UT has tons of folks drive 6hrs from Memphis to Knoxville to attend games. You have to understand that in the south (with the recent exception of the Titans & Panthers) there were no pro sports so college is king. My family's from TN and I'm still a Redskins fan. If the Titans win cool but when they lose my day isn't ruined the least bit.

Don't misunderstand I'm not disparaging MU, I simply don't think it fits or moves the excitement needle. It belongs in the B10 West playing Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois, Wisconsin, & Minny. The SEC already has 2 schools in UK & Vandy that don't give a flip about football why add a third? Might as well use that on a Duke/UNC package deal.
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I just moved back to Tennessee from just north of Columbia. I will tell you that they packed their stadium. I liked Columbia. Good food and people. When I went to some Rams games you could of went down to field level when the game started if you wanted to. I think being in the SEC will help them with football. The Chiefs are big but a lot of that comes from the western side of the state. I dont think you can get a direct flight to Columbia, but that airport has been expanding in the past couple of years. If you go to Columbia, and want some pizza. Try Shakespears or Gumbys. I think they will bring more to the conference than most people think. just my thoughts
 
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Voldemonium said:
Respectfully,
St Louis and Kansas City are PRO markets. They don't give a crap about the Missouri Tigers. It's all about the Cardinals, Royals, Chiefs, Blues, and Rams. That's like Big10 fans saying Rutgers gives them the NYC market. Nobody in NYC cares about Rutgers. Its all about the pro sports. Yanks, Mets, Knicks, Jets, Giants, etc.
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respectfully, i've lived there for several years; they care a big deal about it in st louis just like they do their professional teams (they nearly fill the Edward Jones Dome each year to see the the Missouri-Illinois border rivalry, alone); every saturday they're on, all the bars, restaurants, their games get turned on

Now, they're clearly not going to be the biggest fish in town (it's a baseball city; the cardinals always will be) but it's the same way Ga Tech - no matter how well they do - aren't going to top the Braves in Atlanta (another baseball city) (nor in their case, probably the falcons (on a side note, the blues are easily one of the lower (or lowest) paid attention to factions in that state))



(as far as new york; the city does follow college football, but it's not routers. Notre Dame has a surprisingly huge following in NYC, which is one of the reasons they're able to so easily continue to support their own network, as well as why the Big 10 keeps chasing them for membership every 3 or 4 years)




Now if you want to talk Kansas City....that's a bit of a different issue; they pretty much have that same relation Memphis does with Tennessee-knoxville (which you'll have to admit, isn't a too great of one)...still they're both bigger than everything in conference not named atlanta
 
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TrueOrange said:
Now, they're clearly not going to be the biggest fish in town (it's a baseball city; the cardinals always will be) but it's the same way Ga Tech - no matter how well they do - aren't going to top the Braves in Atlanta (another baseball city) (nor in their case, probably the falcons (on a side note, the blues are easily one of the lower (or lowest) paid attention to factions in that state))
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No disrespect, but I would hardly call a city who routinely fails to sell out playoff games a "baseball city". Atlanta is just a horrible pro sports town in general. However, in their defense, there really aren't any good pro sports towns in the southeast. College is king.
 
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M-I-Z-V-O-L said:
That is just false. KC and STL are pro cities and do care more about the chiefs/rams/cardinals (no not the royals though) than they do about Mizzou. But it isn't the east coast, college football is still a VERY big thing in Missouri. As someone who has lived there, I promise
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didn't know the royals were so illy followed

but yeah, you're right on there, they do care about it still ALOT

the state's pretty much just like the other southern ones in nature, people, behaviors, etc (....kinda makes sense with the history really)
 
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missourivol said:
Missouri loves their college sports. I would love to have Mizzou in conference. That means there will be some rivalry between my wifes family and I.
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:good!:

ATC_VOL said:
I lived in St. Louis for 7 years and although it is a Pro town, there are lots of Mizzou fans on both the MO and IL sides of the river.
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yep
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
No disrespect, but I would hardly call a city who routinely fails to sell out playoff games a "basball city". Atlanta is just a horrible pro sports town in general. However, in their defense, there really aren't any good pro sports towns in the southeast. College is king.
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ok, i appreciate being a bit cleared up on that; i've never really been sure for quite some time what category atlanta fell under with regards to their sports teams (I certainly knew the Hawks weren't the biggest shows in town though, probably also the falcons)
 
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emainvol said:
I don't even know why this has to be asked. Of course Maryland brings something to the table. Blacksburg is in backwater ass Virginia and College Park is within 30-45 minutes of two large east coast cities. Hmm... wonder which one brings more to the table, market-wise?
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Maryland brings nothing at all. They're a non competitive, unsexy football team which means less viewers, poor ratings and unhappy advertisers. Va Tech brings an always competitive football team to the viewers and TV ratings would be far better than the Terps. Dead prez always prevail.
 
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Voldemonium said:
Here's a question for you; Speaking as Missouri resident, if the average Missouri citizen had the option of attending a football game on the weekend which would they go see? Tigers, Chiefs, or Rams? Honest question?
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ugh, realistically, that combination choice would be a messy one

UT has tons of folks drive 6hrs from Memphis to Knoxville to attend games. You have to understand that in the south (with the recent exception of the Titans & Panthers) there were no pro sports so college is king. My family's from TN and I'm still a Redskins fan. If the Titans win cool but when they lose my day isn't ruined the least bit.
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.....isnt a lot of that due to just not really being a fan of them (your main "team" per se are the redskins)
 
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SlyStone said:
Maryland brings nothing at all. They're a non competitive, unsexy football team which means less viewers, poor ratings and unhappy advertisers. Va Tech brings an always competitive football team to the viewers and TV ratings would be far better than the Terps. Dead prez always prevail.
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True story. Being close to big cities means nothing if you suck and no one cares.
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TrueOrange said:
ok, i appreciate being a bit cleared up on that; i've never really been sure for quite some time what category atlanta fell under with regards to their sports teams (I certainly knew the Hawks weren't the biggest shows in town though, probably also the falcons)
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It's just a function of the way things are in the south. I can't think of a single city I would consider to be a good pro sports town in all of the southeast. Me and some buddies were talking about this the other day, and I think the reason for that is that there simply aren't any pro franchises in the south that go back 75-100 years and have fans who have had the rooting interest in these teams passed down over multiple genrations. Most of the pro franchises in the south date back to the 60's at the very earliest, so people's generational tie to a sports team is going to be the colleges that have always been here.
 
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missourivol said:
I just moved back to Tennessee from just north of Columbia. I will tell you that they packed their stadium. I liked Columbia. Good food and people. When I went to some Rams games you could of went down to field level when the game started if you wanted to. I think being in the SEC will help them with football. The Chiefs are big but a lot of that comes from the western side of the state. I dont think you can get a direct flight to Columbia, but that airport has been expanding in the past couple of years. If you go to Columbia, and want some pizza. Try Shakespears or Gumbys. I think they will bring more to the conference than most people think. just my thoughts
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Ugh, good lord, seriously about the Rams. And they've been getting kind of bad about the blackouts as well. We got some $30, 8 rows from the field tickets the thursday or friday before a game;

they're loved when they're good (from what I can tell), but outside of those 3 really good years with Kurt Warner, fan support seems - though I could be mistaken - to get kinda bleh at times.....though their history's also been pretty much been new-cleveland-browns-ish other than those 3 or 4 really good years
 
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zjcvols said:
My prediction:

TAMU
Va. Tech
Maryland
Missouri

That who I think joins the SEC.
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That would definitely be the most market share I suppose but Maryland and MO do 0 for me. I'd rather see a NC team over MD but with the UNC system I'm not sure.
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Voldemonium said:
Respectfully,
St Louis and Kansas City are PRO markets. They don't give a crap about the Missouri Tigers. It's all about the Cardinals, Royals, Chiefs, Blues, and Rams. That's like Big10 fans saying Rutgers gives them the NYC market. Nobody in NYC cares about Rutgers. Its all about the pro sports. Yanks, Mets, Knicks, Jets, Giants, etc.

The other problem with adding all these new teams is that it'll make coming to a concensus on governing that much more difficult. I don't want so many teams that alliances start forming. That's part of the reason I think it would be a nightmare to add OU and OSU. They'd form a western voting block with ATM, Arky, and LSU and ideologically split the conference.
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It's the fact their games will be shown in those markets. All of them.
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Atlanta is not a "baseball" town, if anything it's a bandwagon town. They don't even sellout baseball playoff games. I'd argue when the Falcons are doing well they're bigger than the Braves.
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