ESPN thinks we go 4-8 next year

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BeattieFeathers said:
Rattle off the 9 wins for me chief. Give me the 9 wins in the face of brand new OL and DLs, uncertainty at QB, and 15-20 freshmen playing in the 2 deep......
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I agree with you. I think 4 to 6 wins is likely. Vandy and mo are swing games. Ole miss could be our upset special. I don't think our 2015 qb is on campus. The old saying goes if uou have 4 qbs you don't have one.[/QUOTE]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.....are you the same guy who just called me crazy like 2 minutes ago for saying UT won't win 9 games this year?
 
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KBVol said:
I agree with you. I think 4 to 6 wins is likely. Vandy and mo are swing games. Ole miss could be our upset special. I don't think our 2015 qb is on campus. The old saying goes if uou have 4 qbs you don't have one.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa.....are you the same guy who just called me crazy like 2 minutes ago for saying UT won't win 9 games this year?[/QUOTE]

No I was agreeing with you that it's crazy talk to suggest we should win 9 games.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Whoa, whoa, whoa.....are you the same guy who just called me crazy like 2 minutes ago for saying UT won't win 9 games this year?
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No I was agreeing with you that it's crazy talk to suggest we should win 9 games.[/QUOTE]

Ok, my bad for the misunderstanding. It's kind of a catch 22 for me. History says he needs to win 9 games year 2 to be an SEC Championship caliber coach..... however, there's no way he's winning 9 this year and even if he only wins 7 or so and shows substantial competitive improvement vs the best teams on our schedule, he'll have me believing he's the right guy.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Butch inherited the worst collection of talent in 50 years on the hill, with the exception of the oline. One play and one injury was the difference in the vandy game. He didn't get severely out coached....that's plain silly. As for the blowouts, those teams were that much better than us and nick saban on our sidelines would have made no difference. We are going to likely start 5 true freshmen and five jucos. Not a recipe for success in the toughest league in America.
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Vanderbilt ran out a starting QB playing with a torn ACL.

That loss was on par with Dooley and KY.

But by all means, spin away.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Vanderbilt ran out a starting QB playing with a torn ACL.

That loss was on par with Dooley and KY.

But by all means, spin away.
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Wouldn't go that far. Carta-Samuels wasn't the QB who scored the game winning Td, Ky didn't have the SECs all time leading WR.....they had a backup WR playing for the first time in his collegiate career. Team was battling for Butch last year but was just bad.....Dooley's team completely quit on him.

Also, Vandy was an 8 win bowl bound team....Ky had won 4 gms to that point, including a 30 pt drubbing to a bad Vandy team. They were both horrible, catastrophic losses, but I'd easily give the nod to the Ky loss.
 
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I wonder how many picked OK to thump Alabama? Or Utah to beat Stanford? Or Arizona to thrash Oregon? We can speculate that CBJ won't win 9 games all we want but we don't know. This is CF and anything can happen. Nobody on here can say with any certainty that we can't win 9 games. The best anybody can say is they think we won't win 9 games. So let's stop all of the "CBJ won't win 9 games period" talk.

Do I think CBJ will win 9? Not likely. I personally believe it will be 6-7 but who knows?
 
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TGVol said:
Either this or go 5-7 again but pull another top 5 class - I would keep CBJ or pretty much any coach for at least few more years as they can keep recruiting like that regardless of W-L record. However, it's extremely unlikely anybody can keep pulling those types of classes unless they start winning.
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That's long been part of my reasoning process. You don't keep getting great players with dreams and promises that you don't bring to reality. Each losing season makes the promises of better times just around the corner less believable.
 
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sjt18 said:
That's long been part of my reasoning process. You don't keep getting great players with dreams and promises that you don't bring to reality. Each losing season makes the promises of better times just around the corner less believable.
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How did steve spurrier do it at Carolina? Granted, he has only won the east once during his tenure, which makes what Phil was doing in the 2000's even more remarkable, but three consecutive 11 win seasons is nothing to sneeze at. If you look at his early record, he would have been fired at ut.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
What has Maggitt done?
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I'm guessing you mean being a starter as a Fr, averaging 5.5 tackles per game as a Fr (second to AJ in the SEC among Fr), and being someone who Jones (who you appear to have total blind faith in) called the key guy on the team.

If you have watched Maggitt play and can ask "what's he done"... then you're beyond help.

What has Vereen done?
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Besides earning the unqualified praise of Jones? He played well as a Fr and works as hard as anyone UT has had in a very long time.

Butch is the right guy regardless of the record.
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That's just plain stupid. Sorry but NO ONE is the "guy" until the PROVE they're the guy by winning. NO ONE.

His recruiting speaks volumes.
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Not unless he wins with the talent. And... if he doesn't start winning then don't expect the great recruiting to continue. He benefited from a class loaded with legacies and kids who bought into his dream. That's a terrific job and start. But he won't have the legacies every year and can't sell dreams of someday winning much longer.

I just dreading hearing the whiners and complainers this fall and dread the national media polling fun at our unrealistic fan base, yet again. Remember that we still have three classes recruited by doofus. Great players make great coaches.
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No. Great coaches coach great regardless of talent. They can't always win... but great coaches make players and teams better. That's what I expect of this coach in addition to good recruiting. I like him. I hope he gets it done. But I am first and foremost a Vol fan. If Jones can't get the program back to championship contention... then I'll support getting someone who can.

I don't care about what you dread. I don't care about your low expectations. I don't care about your hatred for Dooley or ridiculous attempts to blame current coaching failings on him. I don't care about your ridiculous clichés. I certainly don't care about your desire to somehow see the bar set so low that you can't be disappointed or embarrassed.

I care about seeing a talented, well-coached, competitive UT Vols team winning games and working toward playing for championships. I don't want to see even ONE more game like Vandy last year. I want to see a coach who wins all the ones he should and some of the ones he shouldn't. That is the ONLY acceptable standard for a UT coach.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
How did steve spurrier do it at Carolina? Granted, he has only won the east once during his tenure, which makes what Phil was doing in the 2000's even more remarkable, but three consecutive 11 win seasons is nothing to sneeze at. If you look at his early record, he would have been fired at ut.
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Spurrier did it by coaching his players up at USCe. He has NOT been a dominant recruiter at USCe. He's avg'd a midpack class in his years there. He DISPROVES your contention about players making coaches. If he were to suddenly retire, they're no longer a contender.

Spurrier had won NC's. He'd lifted a hapless Duke program. AND there was no reason for expectations at USCe to be as high as they are in K'ville. They've never won the SEC much less sniff a national championship.

Fulmer led a decline of the program in the 2000's that DIRECTLY caused what UT has gone through since 2008. You can blame Dooley and Kiffin for not fixing it... only ONE HC is responsible for breaking it.
 
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sjt18 said:
Spurrier did it by coaching his players up at USCe. He has NOT been a dominant recruiter at USCe. He's avg'd a midpack class in his years there. He DISPROVES your contention about players making coaches. If he were to suddenly retire, they're no longer a contender.

Spurrier had won NC's. He'd lifted a hapless Duke program. AND there was no reason for expectations at USCe to be as high as they are in K'ville. They've never won the SEC much less sniff a national championship.

Fulmer led a decline of the program in the 2000's that DIRECTLY caused what UT has gone through since 2008. You can blame Dooley and Kiffin for not fixing it... only ONE HC is responsible for breaking it.
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Prepare for disappointment friend. It took spurrier six years to break thru at Carolina. Fulmer's record will never be replicated at ut. Not saying we won't win the sec again, but sustained success we had in the 90's will likely never occur for any coach. 8 is enough, 10 or 11 in an extraordinary season. In 25 years Fulmer's accomplishments will be fully appreciated.
 
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jkleno said:
Finally someone posts something logical. 6-6 is the record I see us achieving unless we slip up on someone and go 7-5. So many VN posters let their emotions get the best of them. 8-4??? Really. C'mon man. Did you read op's post about our defense? In the SEC if you don't have speed at DE and LB, you are going to be shredded. I think our expectations should fall in line with reality and not our love for our team. I like having a senior QB leading our offense, but I am dreadfully worried about our poor defense and I don't see much improvement in that area next year. 2 years from now, I think 8-4 will be doable. Not next year. Let's finish 4th in the SEC East and congratulate our coach on a fine year and a bowl game. Reality.
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We're replacing an entire Oline and Dline with limited with no real experience. We went 5-7 with an Oline that had 3-4 years experience. On top of that we lack any real depth in those areas. Every team we play this year is bringing back experienced players in the trenches. If CBJ makes it to 6 wins he deserves SEC COY with the schedule we're facing. People should come back down to earth.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm guessing you mean being a starter as a Fr, averaging 5.5 tackles per game as a Fr (second to AJ in the SEC among Fr), and being someone who Jones (who you appear to have total blind faith in) called the key guy on the team.

If you have watched Maggitt play and can ask "what's he done"... then you're beyond help.

Besides earning the unqualified praise of Jones? He played well as a Fr and works as hard as anyone UT has had in a very long time.

That's just plain stupid. Sorry but NO ONE is the "guy" until the PROVE they're the guy by winning. NO ONE.

Not unless he wins with the talent. And... if he doesn't start winning then don't expect the great recruiting to continue. He benefited from a class loaded with legacies and kids who bought into his dream. That's a terrific job and start. But he won't have the legacies every year and can't sell dreams of someday winning much longer.

No. Great coaches coach great regardless of talent. They can't always win... but great coaches make players and teams better. That's what I expect of this coach in addition to good recruiting. I like him. I hope he gets it done. But I am first and foremost a Vol fan. If Jones can't get the program back to championship contention... then I'll support getting someone who can.

I don't care about what you dread. I don't care about your low expectations. I don't care about your hatred for Dooley or ridiculous attempts to blame current coaching failings on him. I don't care about your ridiculous clichés. I certainly don't care about your desire to somehow see the bar set so low that you can't be disappointed or embarrassed.

I care about seeing a talented, well-coached, competitive UT Vols team winning games and working toward playing for championships. I don't want to see even ONE more game like Vandy last year. I want to see a coach who wins all the ones he should and some of the ones he shouldn't. That is the ONLY acceptable standard for a UT coach.
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This!
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darkgable said:
We're replacing an entire Oline and Dline with limited with no real experience. We went 5-7 with an Oline that had 3-4 years experience. On top of that we lack any real depth in those areas. Every team we play this year is bringing back experienced players in the trenches. If CBJ makes it to 6 wins he deserves SEC COY with the schedule we're facing. People should come back down to earth.
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Seriously! These people already have the pitchforks ready. We will be underdogs in eight games, in all likelihood. I think missouri will take a big step back though and we might catch them at home and vandy in nash. 6-6 will be a good year with all the new faces.
 
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darkgable said:
We're replacing an entire Oline and Dline with limited with no real experience. We went 5-7 with an Oline that had 3-4 years experience. On top of that we lack any real depth in those areas. Every team we play this year is bringing back experienced players in the trenches. If CBJ makes it to 6 wins he deserves SEC COY with the schedule we're facing. People should come back down to earth.
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I understand exactly what your saying...but looking for reasons and excuses only goes so far. Regardless...if he can't get us to 6-6 this year, doubt he will do much better in 2015(7-5 to keep job). How far does the CBJ "Gets It"carry him? Guess there will be more excuses and reasons. Hopefully CBJ will get us back on the Horse we threw ourselves off of 6 yrs ago....but excuses/reasons to lose are what they are.
 
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GrowVol said:
I understand exactly what your saying...but looking for reasons and excuses only goes so far. Regardless...if he can't get us to 6-6 this year, doubt he will do much better in 2015(7-5 to keep job). How far does the CBJ "Gets It"carry him? Guess there will be more excuses and reasons. Hopefully CBJ will get us back on the Horse we threw ourselves off of 6 yrs ago....but excuses/reasons to lose are what they are.
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Steve spurrier was a .500 coach at Carolina thru 5 seasons. What if Carolina had fired him? Butch inherited a far worse situation as Dooley was the worst hire in the sec in the last 50 years. I feel sorry for Coach Jancek because the more I look at our roster, the more the defense sucks. We should kick onside kicks often to get stops.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Steve spurrier was a .500 coach at Carolina thru 5 seasons. What if Carolina had fired him? Butch inherited a far worse situation as Dooley was the worst hire in the sec in the last 50 years. I feel sorry for Coach Jancek because the more I look at our roster, the more the defense sucks. We should kick onside kicks often to get stops.
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We are not USCe.....and if takes onside kicks to get us 6 wins this season...im all in
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Steve spurrier was a .500 coach at Carolina thru 5 seasons. What if Carolina had fired him? Butch inherited a far worse situation as Dooley was the worst hire in the sec in the last 50 years. I feel sorry for Coach Jancek because the more I look at our roster, the more the defense sucks. We should kick onside kicks often to get stops.
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I think CBJ is a good hire for UT. I just don't understand how Jancek made the cut. Unless he learned a lot at Cincy, you're gonna want to onside kick him about 4 games into the season. CTG was an improvement for us and I'd like to hug Petrino for hiring him (he was encouraged to start looking elsewhere midway through '13). I don't think you're gonna like Jancek. But I've been wrong before.
 
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KBVol said:
Wouldn't go that far. Carta-Samuels wasn't the QB who scored the game winning Td, Ky didn't have the SECs all time leading WR.....they had a backup WR playing for the first time in his collegiate career. Team was battling for Butch last year but was just bad.....Dooley's team completely quit on him.

Also, Vandy was an 8 win bowl bound team....Ky had won 4 gms to that point, including a 30 pt drubbing to a bad Vandy team. They were both horrible, catastrophic losses, but I'd easily give the nod to the Ky loss.
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I dunno man.

Bowl berth on the line and his team battling for him yet they still lose?

And it says it all that we are debating which loss to teams we used to handle easily as to how far this thing has fallen.

I appreciate what Butch has done to this point, don't get me wrong. But I am also fed up with sunshine pumpers defending every misstep the last four coaches have taken for a decade now.

Excuse time is over for me. I'll praise 'em when they do good but I am not gonna bury my head in the sand when it goes south either.

I don't expect much out of this season but next year, Butch needs to start making tangible steps towards making this program relevant.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Steve spurrier was a .500 coach at Carolina thru 5 seasons. What if Carolina had fired him? Butch inherited a far worse situation as Dooley was the worst hire in the sec in the last 50 years. I feel sorry for Coach Jancek because the more I look at our roster, the more the defense sucks. We should kick onside kicks often to get stops.
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Spurrier has a slightly better track record than Jones so yes, he would get more leeway. Poor analogy IMO.
 
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GrowVol said:
We are not USCe.....and if takes onside kicks to get us 6 wins this season...im all in
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No we were worse! You guys are confusing history and tradition with modern times. Oregon sucked before nike. Sorry, but it's a new day. We are not entitled because we are a top 15 program historically.
All I am saying is give butch time and don't pay much attention to the record this season. Starting five true freshmen and five jucos. Honestly, what would we think about Bama if they were starting 10 new faces? 6-6? In addition, our returning players are below par.....
 
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