ESPN thinks we go 4-8 next year

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MustafaRasta said:
I agree from our perspective, but I think due to defensive packages the coaches seem happy with Maggit at DE providing edge rush with Vereen and JRM and AJ as the 2 linebackers. I'd expect to see a 4-2-5 defense a good chunk of the time other than 1st down or nickel and dime packages.

I dunno, I mean I am just making an assumption.
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You have some good insight. Year 2 with most HC's show improvements in schemes and responsibilities. I really think we could get to 7-5 if we were to catch a few breaks. It seems like we are do for things to start working for us versus against us. I would agree with ESPN and have USCe #1 or possibly UGA. USCe has plenty of talent and a great coach while UGA may have more talent, but much less of a coach.
 
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olbemw7 said:
Just because their QB has had game experience doesn't mean he is any good... we're returning 2 QBs with starting experience, neither of which are going to set the world on fire (could be decent though).

Also, they might only lose 2-3 guys, but I'd venture to say losing Clowney will hurt them more than losing our entire DL from last year. Reason being that offenses had to scheme for Clowney and double-team him all season, making it much easier for other guys on SC's D to get to the QB / make plays. Losing him basically gives each opposing team one more blocker.

Example: SC almost lost to Kentucky last year (35-28) when Clowney didn't play, giving up 3 legit TDs (the other TD came after a fumbled kickoff so I won't count that). And that game was in Columbia, where they have been dominant as you pointed out earlier.

Not saying they are gonna suck this year, but I will be very surprised if they have 10 regular season wins.
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I hear ya, Thompson is no Connor Shaw and there should be a fairly decent drop off. However, the kid's pretty good, will be the most experienced QB in the East outside of Driskell. Has throw 200+ pass for nearly 2000 yds, 14 tds, 5 ints in his career. They'll be tough to beat on the road and he will be one of the reasons IMO.
 
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fade route said:
If Jones is on the hot seat after 5-7 in his second year of a major rebuilding project in the toughest conference in football, facing one of the most difficult schedules in the league, and replacing virtually everyone on both sides of the line, then our fan base's football IQ has hit rock bottom.
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Nope.

He should beat UK, Vandy, USU, ASU, and Chatt without any doubt. He has more talent than Mizzou without much doubt. He has enough talent if the coaching is there to compete with and pick off any of UGA, UF, USCe, and UM.

Exactly WHEN do you propose that the COACHING be the difference between a win and a loss?

That "most difficult schedule" stuff is wearing a little old too. If UT had to play the whole schedule at once... then you have an excuse. But as far as I know they still play one game a week and don't allow Bama to share players with UK when they play UT.


I have worked to cultivate a more positive outlook for Jones and the upcoming season... but these pre-positioned excuses and lowballing STILL have a stench I can't stand.
 
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sjt18 said:
Nope.

He should beat UK, Vandy, USU, ASU, and Chatt without any doubt. He has more talent than Mizzou without much doubt. He has enough talent if the coaching is there to compete with and pick off any of UGA, UF, USCe, and UM.

Exactly WHEN do you propose that the COACHING be the difference between a win and a loss?

That "most difficult schedule" stuff is wearing a little old too. If UT had to play the whole schedule at once... then you have an excuse. But as far as I know they still play one game a week and don't allow Bama to share players with UK when they play UT.


I have worked to cultivate a more positive outlook for Jones and the upcoming season... but these pre-positioned excuses and lowballing STILL have a stench I can't stand.
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I agree with you again primarily. No reason to assume we have a losing year and try to justify it, but even you would give Butch grace if a crop of injuries occur.

We should not be discussing this in a box - under certain circumstances a 6-6 season would be an improvement. On the flip side, if other teams suffer injuries then 8-4 should be the number we accept and nothing less.
 
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IMHO this is how I see the Season shaking out.
i see 6-6 with a possible Surprise Win to take it to 7-6
** = possible Surprise Win

Win against Utah St. ( Close game in the 4th win by 7)
Win against Ark. St. ( Close at Half but i believe we pull it out by 14)
Loss to Oklahoma ( probably down by 10 at half losing by 20 in the end)
Loss against Georgia ** ( Tight ball game all the way to the Wire, lose by 3)
Win against Florida ( Redemption for 9 years, Solid Team Effort win by 10)
Win against Chatt. ( 1st Team Shines First Half, Second Team Mops up win by 24
Loss to Ole Miss. ** ( Young team looks ahead to Bama lose by 4)
Loss to Bama ( Closer than think for 1st half, emotion runs out lose by 21)
Loss to S.C. (Ole Ball Coach will have them ready for Redemption loss by 14
Win against Kentucky ( We Return to Owning Kentucky Win by 21)
Loss to Mizz. ( Offensive Speed, wears on the young D. Loss by 9)
Win against Vandy ( Coach Puts the Pedal Down and Doesn't let up Win by 24)

But it does put us Bowl Eligible

But in my Homer Heart 10-2
 
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sjt18 said:
Nope.

He should beat UK, Vandy, USU, ASU, and Chatt without any doubt. He has more talent than Mizzou without much doubt. He has enough talent if the coaching is there to compete with and pick off any of UGA, UF, USCe, and UM.

Exactly WHEN do you propose that the COACHING be the difference between a win and a loss?

That "most difficult schedule" stuff is wearing a little old too. If UT had to play the whole schedule at once... then you have an excuse. But as far as I know they still play one game a week and don't allow Bama to share players with UK when they play UT.


I have worked to cultivate a more positive outlook for Jones and the upcoming season... but these pre-positioned excuses and lowballing STILL have a stench I can't stand.
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I think it happens this year. But year 3 should be the time needed to show marked improvement. Year 4 should be to show significant competitiveness. Year five should be to the do or die year in terms of having a 10+ win year.

I fear many of you don't grasp just how far down the UT fell starting with Fulmer's laziness. For all the hate on him, Lane Kiffin was asked and remarked in wonder at the sheer number of walkons we had in his only year here. That alone says where Fulmer had the program at the time. Then we got Doolized for several years. Jones for all the hope and wishing, simply doesn't have a magic wand to correct so many years of neglect and mismanagement. It took over 5 years to practically destroy Tennessee football. It will take at least that long to rebuild it. If Dave Hart has even a sniveled brown pea for a brain, he will ignore impatient fans and let Butch rebuild Tennessee.

We still lack depth. We still don't have the kind of defense personnel needed in the SEC. Right now, our QB situation is questionable, though I do think we're better at that position than some think. The Butch might not have a magic wand, but he knows what he's doing.
 
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Let's not forget that Alabama is currently on a 2 game losing streak. They COULD bounce back and return to dominance, but personally I think their reign is over. Pair that with an away game against a team that is STARVING for redemption against a coach that up and left in the middle of the night, and anything can happen. I'm not expecting the Vols to beat Bama, but I do expect them to come out swinging.
 
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TCbodybuilder said:
I deal with quite a lot of them actually (high school, collegiate, and pro across multiple sports), do you? Please feel free to chime in with an actual response about the psychological state of high performance athletes. Or were you just taking a moment out of your day to pick on a group of people you feel are below you educationally and financially?
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No...Mensa guy on steroids...I detected an inference that if you didn't consort or converse with athletes,that you shouldn't weigh in with predictions on team win/loss record...I don't happen to agree with that assessment... Thus the brave sacrifice of a "moment out of my day" :hi:
 
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VolAllen said:
Let's not forget that Alabama is currently on a 2 game losing streak. They COULD bounce back and return to dominance, but personally I think their reign is over. Pair that with an away game against a team that is STARVING for redemption against a coach that up and left in the middle of the night, and anything can happen. I'm not expecting the Vols to beat Bama, but I do expect them to come out swinging.
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There are very few, if any, on UT's current roster that give a crap that Kiffin bolted.
 
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RiseToTheTop said:
I think some people do a little more research than ESPN. Most SEC fans know alot more about the league and it's personnel than some national writer who tries to cover everyone.
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Not on this board. They are a few on this board that are knowledge the rest are not.
 
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These highly-rated income freshmen are apparently like fairy dust in some fans' eyes.

I don't predict 4-8, but I agree that with an unproven group of QBs, brand new OL and DL, a new starter at RB, and 1 returning proven WR, like one poster already said, if we can get to 6-6 I will be happy.
 
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sjt18 said:
Nope.

He should beat UK, Vandy, USU, ASU, and Chatt without any doubt. He has more talent than Mizzou without much doubt. He has enough talent if the coaching is there to compete with and pick off any of UGA, UF, USCe, and UM.

Exactly WHEN do you propose that the COACHING be the difference between a win and a loss?

That "most difficult schedule" stuff is wearing a little old too. If UT had to play the whole schedule at once... then you have an excuse. But as far as I know they still play one game a week and don't allow Bama to share players with UK when they play UT.


I have worked to cultivate a more positive outlook for Jones and the upcoming season... but these pre-positioned excuses and lowballing STILL have a stench I can't stand.
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We don't have a single player on the roster that has experienced a winning season at UT. Let that sink in for a minute. Its going to take a few years to change that culture - it just doesn't happen overnight or after a top 10 recruiting class. I think Butch is doing that, but I also think you're overestimating our talent level. We do not match up talent wise with any of the teams you said we could pick off, not to mention that we play UGA and USCjr on the road. Our depth is woefully behind those teams, and you need quality depth to win in the SEC. We just aren't there yet. 6-6 is reasonable and attainable, but if it ends up 5-7, I'll be disappointed, but still I think it would be asinine for Butch to be on the hot seat.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
I think it happens this year. But year 3 should be the time needed to show marked improvement. Year 4 should be to show significant competitiveness. Year five should be to the do or die year in terms of having a 10+ win year.

I fear many of you don't grasp just how far down the UT fell starting with Fulmer's laziness. For all the hate on him, Lane Kiffin was asked and remarked in wonder at the sheer number of walkons we had in his only year here. That alone says where Fulmer had the program at the time. Then we got Doolized for several years. Jones for all the hope and wishing, simply doesn't have a magic wand to correct so many years of neglect and mismanagement. It took over 5 years to practically destroy Tennessee football. It will take at least that long to rebuild it. If Dave Hart has even a sniveled brown pea for a brain, he will ignore impatient fans and let Butch rebuild Tennessee.

We still lack depth. We still don't have the kind of defense personnel needed in the SEC. Right now, our QB situation is questionable, though I do think we're better at that position than some think. The Butch might not have a magic wand, but he knows what he's doing.
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wow... just wow woods.. was I the only one here when Fulmer was fired? The shear amount of players that left in protest to his firing..on top of how many we sent to the NFL..

But we are gonna take Kiffin's excuses, over one of the winningest coaches EVER.. HOF.. NC...

One year away from having us in the SEC CG?

All I can say is wow at how hard some people around here, still after these past 5-6 years.. try to defend that firing. When anyone that has been even half paying attention knows it was a personal vendetta campaign by Hamilton to get him fired in the first place. Had been going on for at least 3-4 years prior..

Just OMG.. I really can not believe I even have to type this. SMDH

some of our fan base is just like a buddy that refuses to see his girlfriend is cheating on him, even when he walks in and catches them together.. but just refuses to believe that it could happen to him..

Trolls go ahead and rip into this post as per your usual childishness.. Ill be signing off for the day, I can't take this anymore today. Just way too disappointed....
 
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I honestly can't believe I am already seeing "coaching change" demands if ...............

Some of you folks are completely nuts.
 
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VolAllen said:
If you don't think Butch Jones with use that as an extra dose of motivation to get the team fired up, you don't know much about Butch Jones.
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He had better hope that none of his players are able to add 2 and 2 and ask "Hey Coach, if Kiffin hadn't taken off in 2010, would you be the coach at Tennessee right now?"

I guess it's a little better than the "red team" motivational ploy, which netted the worst beating in half a century of the TSIO. More power to him...
 
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fade route said:
We don't have a single player on the roster that has experienced a winning season at UT. Let that sink in for a minute. Its going to take a few years to change that culture - it just doesn't happen overnight or after a top 10 recruiting class. I think Butch is doing that, but I also think you're overestimating our talent level. We do not match up talent wise with any of the teams you said we could pick off, not to mention that we play UGA and USCjr on the road. Our depth is woefully behind those teams, and you need quality depth to win in the SEC. We just aren't there yet. 6-6 is reasonable and attainable, but if it ends up 5-7, I'll be disappointed, but still I think it would be asinine for Butch to be on the hot seat.
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True, but total up the W/L records from this incoming signing class and see if they're used to losing.
 
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sjt18 said:
Nope.

He should beat UK, Vandy, USU, ASU, and Chatt without any doubt. He has more talent than Mizzou without much doubt. He has enough talent if the coaching is there to compete with and pick off any of UGA, UF, USCe, and UM.

Exactly WHEN do you propose that the COACHING be the difference between a win and a loss?

That "most difficult schedule" stuff is wearing a little old too. If UT had to play the whole schedule at once... then you have an excuse. But as far as I know they still play one game a week and don't allow Bama to share players with UK when they play UT.


I have worked to cultivate a more positive outlook for Jones and the upcoming season... but these pre-positioned excuses and lowballing STILL have a stench I can't stand.
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Jones gets 4 years whether you like it or not. I have absolutely no doubt about that.
 
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If USU, ASU, Chatt and Kentucky are the wins. All we would have to do for them to be wrong is win 1 game out of Vandy, Mizzou, UGA, UF, SCAR, Bama, OU, Ole Miss.

Vandy - New coaching staff. New offensive scheme. Move from 4-3 to 3-4. Horrible recruiting class. New QB. No Jordan Matthews. QBs, WRs and defense looked bad in spring game. We shouldve won last year. No block in the back and we wouldve won. There was also a few plays that shouldnt have been overturned, like the catch that Pig made that was ruled out of bounds after being reversed with no evidence

Mizzou - Lose top 3 WRs, top RB and a bunch of defensive starters including Sam. The got lucky with their schedule last year. They beat UF and UGA after we injured a ton of their players. Play them in Neyland

UGA - Lose Aaron Murray. We almost beat them last year. Will likely be one of our tougher games of the season.

UF - Coming off of a 4-8 season. New offense and defense. New coaches. Play in Neyland. Didnt look good in their spring game.

SCAR - Lose Clowney and Shaw along with some others. We beat them last year, but we play @ USC and will be one of the harder games.

Bama - Kiffin. Will likely lose.

OU - Only beat WVU (4-8) 16-7 in Norman. Only beat TCU (4-8) 20-17 in Norman. A lot of close games. Although they win a lot, they seem to play down to their opponent. We could get lucky

Ole Miss - Probably wont win.
 
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bamawriter said:
He had better hope that none of his players are able to add 2 and 2 and ask "Hey Coach, if Kiffin hadn't taken off in 2010, would you be the coach at Tennessee right now?"

I guess it's a little better than the "red team" motivational ploy, which netted the worst beating in half a century of the TSIO. More power to him...
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Amazing your still here... when you know you have work to do to prove your a true Bammer. Like I said before, come back when you have done your duty and killed someone over not being a true fan.

P.S. Have fun with Kiffin.. better hope your players cant add 2 and 2 and realize their offensive guru gives them the worst offense they have had since Saban arrived..
 
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