Expectations next year?

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GregAmsler said:
No one is playing another year of college baseball to “get a degree.” That makes no sense. You take the MLB money and use a smidgen of it to finish your degree, if that’s what you want.
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Ben Joyce passed on the draft last year (he had offers). Wanted to play his senior yr and get his degree.
 
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GOBO-Baseball02 said:
Ben Joyce passed on the draft last year (he had offers). Wanted to play his senior yr and get his degree.
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Rah! I thought that surely there are some guys in a position where they can turn down the under $250k bonus to finish a degree. The odds of those round 11-20 guys making the big show are very daunting. Having a degree doesn't guarantee success, but can open some doors.

The Vols only have three jerseys retired. Garner & Helton were each outstanding. I don't recall Condredge ever playing pro baseball.
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
His arm is marginal for SS, but adequate for 3B, in my opinion. SS generally requires a stronger arm than 3d. . Notice how he could just not make the throw from deep in the hole at SS. That's a longer throw than a 3B has to make. Another reason is that his range is marginal, not great. Would be the same thing if he played 2B. 3B doesn't require a lot of range, just quick reactions. Besides, we have second covered with Moore.
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Could be. Especially if we don’t have a third baseman coming back
 
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GOBO-Baseball02 said:
Ben Joyce passed on the draft last year (he had offers). Wanted to play his senior yr and get his degree.
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1) Joyce was coming off a serious arm injury.
2) I’m not sure what “offers” means, but he wasn’t drafted.
3) Joyce is a redshirt junior, not a senior, meaning he didn’t lose bargaining leverage coming back after last year. That’s everything in baseball.

There is an enormous difference in the way a baseball player approaches the draft than a basketball or football player and a lot of our new baseball fans don’t understand that. It’s about slotted money at particular picks, teams strategically going over or under the amounts for those slots, and how much leverage a kid has due to eligibility left. For example, someone will get a steal on Trey Lipscomb this year because he has very little bargaining leverage being a senior.

No one comes back to get his degree if it means giving up gobs of money due to leverage forfeiture. That’s not how any of this works. And it’s not what Ben Joyce did.
 
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tombowalker said:
Fwiw, there's a reason analytics killed small ball to such a large extent. It generally doesn't score as many runs.... especially for a team with pop #1-9 like Tennessee.
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I agree, I do think there’s a time and place for it though.
i almost look at it like 3 point shooting in basketball. Analytics say you need to be going for 3s but there are certain times (I.e. shots aren’t falling that night), you just need one bucket to close out a game, etc) that warrant going for the 2 pointer
 
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tombowalker said:
Fwiw, there's a reason analytics killed small ball to such a large extent. It generally doesn't score as many runs.... especially for a team with pop #1-9 like Tennessee.
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Hard to argue with our offense this year — even in the supers. It was ND rocking our pitching that cost us in Game 1. (Game 3 was a little of everything.)
 
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GregAmsler said:
1) Joyce was coming off a serious arm injury.
2) I’m not sure what “offers” means, but he wasn’t drafted.
3) Joyce is a redshirt junior, not a senior, meaning he didn’t lose bargaining leverage coming back after last year. That’s everything in baseball.

There is an enormous difference in the way a baseball player approaches the draft than a basketball or football player and a lot of our new baseball fans don’t understand that. It’s about slotted money at particular picks, teams strategically going over or under the amounts for those slots, and how much leverage a kid has due to eligibility left. For example, someone will get a steal on Trey Lipscomb this year because he has very little bargaining leverage being a senior.

No one comes back to get his degree if it means giving up gobs of money due to leverage forfeiture. That’s not how any of this works. And it’s not what Ben Joyce did.
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Lipscomb has his Covid year, right? So he would still have some leverage I think.
 
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GregAmsler said:
1) Joyce was coming off a serious arm injury.
2) I’m not sure what “offers” means, but he wasn’t drafted.
3) Joyce is a redshirt junior, not a senior, meaning he didn’t lose bargaining leverage coming back after last year. That’s everything in baseball.

There is an enormous difference in the way a baseball player approaches the draft than a basketball or football player and a lot of our new baseball fans don’t understand that. It’s about slotted money at particular picks, teams strategically going over or under the amounts for those slots, and how much leverage a kid has due to eligibility left. For example, someone will get a steal on Trey Lipscomb this year because he has very little bargaining leverage being a senior.

No one comes back to get his degree if it means giving up gobs of money due to leverage forfeiture. That’s not how any of this works. And it’s not what Ben Joyce did.
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I agree with pretty much all this. VU was able to hang on to a couple. We certainly aren’t gonna do any better than that but the program is in a totally different spot than even 3 years ago. Sometimes there are special circumstances.

As for the degree part, as long as you depart in good standing, there’s a program for VFL’s to come back tuition free I believe and finish the degree. I could be wrong on it but I think that’s correct.

Just as an aside…I dread the MLB draft every year.
 
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vol66 said:
I agree with pretty much all this. VU was able to hang on to a couple. We certainly aren’t gonna do any better than that but the program is in a totally different spot than even 3 years ago. Sometimes there are special circumstances.

As for the degree part, as long as you depart in good standing, there’s a program for VFL’s to come back tuition free I believe and finish the degree. I could be wrong on it but I think that’s correct.

Just as an aside…I dread the MLB draft every year.
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And Joyce already earned his degree.
 
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If CTV comes up with a team next year that is anywhere near as good as this one, I'll claim that he's the best Vol coach since Neyland.
 
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31VFL said:
Listening to the D1 Baseball Podcast, they think we are likely their Pre-Season #1 team for next year.
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I mean opposing fanbases will be mad, but how can anyone really argue otherwise? We return our ENTIRE rotation that was 1st in ERA this season, we have added an All-American SS in Maui Ahuna, and we are about to add another All-American in Paul Skenes. Our roster has plenty of questions, but this team isn't going anywhere. If we somehow land Tommy White, we'll be neigh unbeatable.
 
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