Explosions in Norway

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#353
therealUT said:
In Iran? This argument might work for plenty of Arab states, but not Iran. Shia Islam is not literal. Persian Shias have embraced culture, science, art, etc. from Europe and Asia for fourteen hundred years.
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While eradicating Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians and Bahains? How literal is that?

FWIW, Iran was far better ruled under the Shahs and were modernizing quite a bit but much of that progress has been negated by Shia rule.

Nowadays they celebrate a 'death to America' national holiday, doesn't sound very embracing to me.
 
#354
#354
Read that Fox article. It was interesting to see how much they emphasized that he was a "loner" and crazy. Really striving to make it appear that there aren't others like him, that he was not motivated by anti-Muslim sentiments expressed by so many others.
 
#357
#357
MontereyVol said:
You may want to go back and see how its going now. Droski is correct that the leaders of Iran feel threatened by the onslaught of western culture upon their youth.
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droski said:
embraced is quite an exageration. sure they'll take our science knowledge, but they still consider all our women whores.
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The sentiments expressed by the governmental leaders in Iran is markedly different than those held by the subjects. Prior to the Grand Ayatollah, these sentiments did not even exist in Persia; they did exist in many Sunni Arab states, though. Ruhollah Khomeini was a sociopathic narcissist. He wanted not only power over all of Persia, but over the entire Muslim world. He envisioned a Pan-Islamic State, in which he would be the Supreme Ruler. In order bring his vision to fruition, he embraced and forwarded many of the causes of the Sunni Arab world: anti-Zionism, anti-Westernism, anti-Americanism. These sentiments are not grounded in the Shia interpretation of the Koran and the fervor in which many Persians resented the Shah and in which Khomeini incited into passionate hatred, in an effort to build the Pan-Islamic State, does not exist amongst the greater Persian population today. Unfortunately, those in power grabbed their power by expressing such sentiments as absolutes and now refuse to back away from it, fearing that it will show their weakness.

The Islamic Republic of Iran will not last another twenty years.
 
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gsvol said:
While eradicating Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians and Bahains? How literal is that?

FWIW, Iran was far better ruled under the Shahs and were modernizing quite a bit but much of that progress has been negated by Shia rule.

Nowadays they celebrate a 'death to America' national holiday, doesn't sound very embracing to me.
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I looked this up. Turns out such "holidays" have been taken over by protestors in opposition to their own government. Not sure this helps your cause, gs, since its the Muslim people assailing the Islamic fundamentalist government.


http://www.time.com/time/world/article
/0,8599,1934584,00.html
 
#359
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gsvol said:
While eradicating Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians and Bahains? How literal is that?

FWIW, Iran was far better ruled under the Shahs and were modernizing quite a bit but much of that progress has been negated by Shia rule.

Nowadays they celebrate a 'death to America' national holiday, doesn't sound very embracing to me.
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Forced celebrations are always legitimate, GS; however, even if that were absolutely voluntary and legitimate, would it be better or worse than the Jews celebrating Passover, Yom Kippur, and Hannukah?
 
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therealUT said:
Forced celebrations are always legitimate, GS; however, even if that were absolutely voluntary and legitimate, would it be better or worse than the Jews celebrating Passover, Yom Kippur, and Hannukah?
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Or Bastille Day for a western example of celebrating violence.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Read that Fox article. It was interesting to see how much they emphasized that he was a "loner" and crazy. Really striving to make it appear that there aren't others like him, that he was not motivated by anti-Muslim sentiments expressed by so many others.
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All of this despite the fact that there's documentation of a group of people exactly like him.

You know, the guy could have actually succeeded in starting something- just look at all the instantaneous assumption that them dirty Moslems were behind the attacks.
 
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therealUT said:
The sentiments expressed by the governmental leaders in Iran is markedly different than those held by the subjects. Prior to the Grand Ayatollah, these sentiments did not even exist in Persia; they did exist in many Sunni Arab states, though. Ruhollah Khomeini was a sociopathic narcissist. He wanted not only power over all of Persia, but over the entire Muslim world. He envisioned a Pan-Islamic State, in which he would be the Supreme Ruler. In order bring his vision to fruition, he embraced and forwarded many of the causes of the Sunni Arab world: anti-Zionism, anti-Westernism, anti-Americanism. These sentiments are not grounded in the Shia interpretation of the Koran and the fervor in which many Persians resented the Shah and in which Khomeini incited into passionate hatred, in an effort to build the Pan-Islamic State, does not exist amongst the greater Persian population today. Unfortunately, those in power grabbed their power by expressing such sentiments as absolutes and now refuse to back away from it, fearing that it will show their weakness.

The Islamic Republic of Iran will not last another twenty years.
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there's a huge difference between persians in the major cities and in the outskirts. unfortunetely fundamental muslim leadership has had a great support in those areas. even during the shah's reign. i don't share your view about the future of the country.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not sure his lawyer did, but he has.

P.S. Haven't seen mass demonstrations of Christians taking to the street and condemning what this guy did, or apologizing on behalf of their religion. I have been told many times here that the lack of Muslim protests and apologies by Muslims makes their entire religion complicit in any similar attacks. Just thought I'd point that out.
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Have there been any Christian leaders calling him a hero like muslim leaders do? Or as another stated, has there been dancing in the streets celebrating by tens of thousands in several countries like muslims do after an attack?
If so please show us.
Thanks in advance.
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#367
leave it to the editorial pages of the New York Times to find a way to blame Sarah Palin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/26/opinion/26iht-edcohen26.html?_r=1

We’ve seen the movie. When Jared Loughner shot Representative Gabrielle Giffords this year in Tuscon, Arizona — after Sarah Palin placed rifle sights over Giffords’ constituency and Giffords herself predicted that “there are consequences to that” — the right went into overdrive to portray Loughner as a schizophrenic loner whose crazed universe owed nothing to those fanning hatred under the slogan of “Take America Back.” (That non-specific taking-back would of course be from Muslims and the likes of the liberal and Jewish Giffords.)
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ahh, yes, Palin's use of crosshairs on congressional districts, that old chestnut...
 
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therealUT said:
In Iran? This argument might work for plenty of Arab states, but not Iran. Shia Islam is not literal. Persian Shias have embraced culture, science, art, etc. from Europe and Asia for fourteen hundred years.
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Iran is a Shia theocracy and is lead by religious leaders and their schools make BYU look like Vegas.
Iran is very much modern and western just like Mississippi has never had racial tension.
Nice try though.
Ps ask the women who must ride in the back of the bus or who can't eat in the same cafe's or worship in the same buildings as men how modern and westernized Iran is.
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VolBeef88 said:
Iran is a Shia theocracy and is lead by religious leaders and their schools make BYU look like Vegas.
Iran is very much modern and western just like Mississippi has never had racial tension.
Nice try though.
Ps ask the women who must ride in the back of the bus or who can't eat in the same cafe's or worship in the same buildings as men how modern and westernized Iran is.
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Posts written in crayon always make me rethink my positions...
 
#370
#370
lawgator1 said:
I looked this up. Turns out such "holidays" have been taken over by protestors in opposition to their own government. Not sure this helps your cause, gs, since its the Muslim people assailing the Islamic fundamentalist government.


http://www.time.com/time/world/article
/0,8599,1934584,00.html
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There is little doubt in my mind that given a choice
the people of Iran would throw the mullahs out.

The thing is that they don't have that choice, the
mullahs must approve anyone going on the ballot
and even then it's doubtful if the vote tallies are
on the up and up.

Even though the Norwegian ranted extensively in his
manifest about immigration of moslems into Norway,
he had nothing but praise for al-Qaeda and stated
that if Muhammed were alive today, Osama bin Laden
would be his second in command.
 
#371
#371
Beck today compared the Labour Camp to Hitler's Nazi youth camp. This ought to get good... Considering Beck held his own camp this summer to indoctrinate kids.
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#372
#372
gsvol said:
Even though the Norwegian ranted extensively in his
manifest about immigration of moslems into Norway,
he had nothing but praise for al-Qaeda and stated
that if Muhammed were alive today, Osama bin Laden
would be his second in command.
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Please provide the source (and not just another blog where some random blogger says this without any source to back it up).
 
#373
#373
VOLatile said:
Beck today compared the Labour Camp to Hitler's Nazi youth camp. This ought to get good... Considering Beck held his own camp this summer to indoctrinate kids.
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I definitely have a problem with any indoctrination camps; however, to compare these to the Nazi Youth is extreme and, IMO, is a tacit justification and approval of Breivik's actions.
 
#374
#374
VOLatile said:
Beck today compared the Labour Camp to Hitler's Nazi youth camp. This ought to get good... Considering Beck held his own camp this summer to indoctrinate kids.
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The peculiar irony to that is that this whole anti-multiculturalism thing is pretty Naziesque.
 
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#375
therealUT said:
I definitely have a problem with any indoctrination camps; however, to compare these to the Nazi Youth is extreme and, IMO, is a tacit justification and approval of Breivik's actions.
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It looks like Glenn Beck was an inspiration to this guy anyways.


And why are the news channels calling him an extremist rather than a terrorist?
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