Explosions in Norway

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confused I was told the middle east doesn't watch american movies:

As the Arab world consumes more films and television shows from beyond the Middle East than ever before, dialect has become a critical tool in the regional battle for some 250 million Arab viewers. For the month of Ramadan, a four-week stretch that falls in August this year, broadcasters gear up for months, producing their best series, and advertisers concentrate media buys during the weeks

There was a time when nothing was dubbed in the region. "Dallas," for example, was a hit in the 1980s, despite Arab viewers having to read subtitles to keep up with the machinations of J.R. Ms. Abu-Homos used to make trips to Los Angeles in the early 1990s to buy shows like "Jerry Springer" and "General Hospital" and then broadcast them in English, without even subtitles.

As televisions reached every corner of the Arab world and satellite broadcasting expanded, the search for content was on.

Why Harry Potter's Latest Trick Is to Speak a Syrian Dialect - WSJ.com
 
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milohimself said:
FWIW, Breivik took most of his inspiration from gs' favorite nutjob blogs -- atlas shrugs, jihad watch, etc.
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I don't read either of those site, but I'd appreciate it if you could point out where the murder of innocent children is encouraged as a way of fighting against a real or imagined invasion of radical Islamists.
 
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I think there are a certain number of violent acts where overthinking it doesn't help. Some people are just crazy. There may be some kind of tangential relationship to this cause or that belief but sometimes a nutcase just needs whatever reason that strikes his/her fancy to act. I'm not saying this is necessarily the case here but I clearly recall all kinds of speculation about why Loughner did what he did while the facts kept regressing to the point that it was determined that, basically, the guy was nuts.

I just hate when these things happen...whatever the reason.
 
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MG1968 said:
I don't read either of those site, but I'd appreciate it if you could point out where the murder of innocent children is encouraged as a way of fighting against a real or imagined invasion of radical Islamists.
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Don't be naive. I'm sure they don't encourage the killing of innocent children - but it does promote a culture of hatred and fear towards Islam. All it takes is an individual willing to go to extremes.
 
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isn't this the same leap in logic that argues that islam is a violent religion? do you agree with that?
 
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Conservative Christians want to see Islam itself as responsible for the acts of extremists with mixed political, ideological, and religious motives. That makes it easy to denigrate and dismiss as invalid and immoral a competing religion and point of view.

But when someone who shares their religion and maybe even some version of their own political point of view hauls off and does something so awful, they want to focus on the irrationality of the act. Divorce themselves and their religion and politics from what the guy did.

Christianity itself is no more responsible for the heinous crimes of this man than is Islam for 9/11.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Conservative Christians want to see Islam itself as responsible for the acts of extremists with mixed political, ideological, and religious motives. That makes it easy to denigrate and dismiss as invalid and immoral a competing religion and point of view.

But when someone who shares their religion and maybe even some version of their own political point of view hauls off and does something so awful, they want to focus on the irrationality of the act. Divorce themselves and their religion and politics from what the guy did.

Christianity itself is no more responsible for the heinous crimes of this man than is Islam for 9/11.
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your first 4 words are pretty ironic given the rest of the post
 
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MG1968 said:
I don't read either of those site, but I'd appreciate it if you could point out where the murder of innocent children is encouraged as a way of fighting against a real or imagined invasion of radical Islamists.
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Whoa, easy there. Was watching CNN last night and they noted that Breivik cited blog posts hundreds of times, most of which are the same cites that gs repeatedly c+p's from on here. That is the extent of the observation.
 
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milohimself said:
Whoa, easy there. Was watching CNN last night and they noted that Breivik cited blog posts hundreds of times, most of which are the same cites that gs repeatedly c+p's from on here. That is the extent of the observation.
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as ridiculously simple-minded as gsvol often is, I don't know if he's ever advocated violence against Muslims as a means to an end.

does it bother you how quick the media was to label this guy a "christian conservative" but that same media hemmed and hawed for weeks before being forced to admit Nidal Hasan may have committed his crime because of a perverted view of Islam?
 
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MG1968 said:
as ridiculously simple-minded as gsvol often is, I don't know if he's ever advocated violence against Muslims as a means to an end.

does it bother you how quick the media was to label this guy a "christian conservative" but that same media hemmed and hawed for weeks before being forced to admit Nidal Hasan may have committed his crime because of a perverted view of Islam?
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ESPN hates Tennessee football, too.
 
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MG1968 said:
as ridiculously simple-minded as gsvol often is, I don't know if he's ever advocated violence against Muslims as a means to an end.

does it bother you how quick the media was to label this guy a "christian conservative" but that same media hemmed and hawed for weeks before being forced to admit Nidal Hasan may have committed his crime because of a perverted view of Islam?
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Which media outlet labeled him a christian conservative? I ask because I only follow ABC, NBC, and CNN.

Not once on any of those channels or websites have I seen him referred to as a christian conservative.
 
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I think people are more offended by the 'christian conservative' thing then the mention of blogs. The blogs are stupid - he was obviously a follower. If he was a christian conservative then so be it - not sure his religion led him to the violence as much as his political views.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
I think people are more offended by the 'christian conservative' thing then the mention of blogs. The blogs are stupid - he was obviously a follower. If he was a christian conservative then so be it - not sure his religion led him to the violence as much as his political views.
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When he's taking pictures of himself depicted as a Templar Knight, I'd say his religious views played a part in this.

I don't get the big deal here. The guy was a Christian terrorist, and this attack was an act of Christian political terrorist. Just like Al Qaeda commits acts of Islamic political terrorism. It doesn't mean I'll foam at the mouth like a ****ing racist jackhole and say the majority of either group is naturally overtly violent by virtue of their religion.
 
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milohimself said:
When he's taking pictures of himself depicted as a Templar Knight, I'd say his religious views played a part in this.

I don't get the big deal here. The guy was a Christian terrorist, and this attack was an act of Christian political terrorist. Just like Al Qaeda commits acts of Islamic political terrorism. It doesn't mean I'll foam at the mouth like a ****ing racist jackhole and say the majority of either group is naturally overtly violent by virtue of their religion.
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I agree. I just have the advantage of not being religious - so I'm not offended by the fact that he was a christian. I don't pretend to know how devout he was - but I also don't care.
 
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MG1968 said:
as ridiculously simple-minded as gsvol often is, I don't know if he's ever advocated violence against Muslims as a means to an end.
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hmmmmmm .... pretty sure he has advocated for position that we are at war with all of Islam.

Or at least that they are at war with us.
 
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MG1968 said:
as ridiculously simple-minded as gsvol often is, I don't know if he's ever advocated violence against Muslims as a means to an end.
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His dogmatic defense of the Leavenworth 10 makes anyone who understands what those guys did (one of the LTs executed a man in the AO that we took over; I assure you that LT was guilty, as he was found to be, of nothing short of homicide) think he does advocate for any and all violence against Muslims.
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War is a violent thing.

Do you have a link to support your narative?

The Leavenworth Ten and their supporters dispute
your version of what actually happened.

The Leavenworth 10 - Support Michael Leahy Jr

Our mission is to wholly support and work toward the release of The Leavenworth 10, a group of soldiers/Marines incarcerated at Ft. Leavenworth for killing members of Al-Qaeda or Iraqi insurgents. These decorated and committed soldiers/Marines who honorably served their country—achieving a significant number of combat medals over multiple deployments—are now serving sentences ranging between 10 and 40 years. They and their families have fallen victim to the untenable Rules of Engagement, demoralizing “Catch and Release” policies, and climate of political correctness that govern our troops’ actions while trying to survive a combat zone.

While these soldiers/Marines have been judged very harshly by the military, our military leadership is currently releasing imprisoned enemy combatants back to the battlefield. We request the same mercy for these troops, many of whom have been denied clemency time and again. The Leavenworth 10 do not pose any threat and deserve to be returned to their families.
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It's about like the two border patrol agents being
imprisoned for killing an illegal alien who was attacking
them on the one hand and another border patrol agent
being killed because he was armed with a bean bag
gun while his murder was armed with an AK-47 that
was ultimately found to have been furnished by the
ATF and other agencies with stimulus funds.

Weekend Libertarian: On Norway’s Soft-On-Crime Hotel Prison Culture

Will the self-confessed killer, Breivik, be housed in Norway’s luxurious Halden prison?

Norway’s soft-on-crime culture embraces, hotel-style prisons where violent offenders are “mothered.” From the Mail Online:

Luxury: Every private cell has a mini-fridge, flat-screen TV and even a private en-suite bathroom and barless windows to let in more sunlight…

If only Breivik was fathered. Or policed. From The Telegraph:


Their [father-son] relationship broke down when Breivik was a teenager and his behaviour became more unruly and rebellious. A keen fan of hip-hop music, he would spend his evenings with a small gang of friends spraying graffiti on buildings around Oslo.
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So far the confessed killer has been banned from
reading newspapers and watching broadcast news.
 
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gsvol said:
War is a violent thing.
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War is a violent ordeal. That does not justify taking extrajudicial action to execute non-combatants. These men are not heroes; neither is West; neither is Calley.

In the Infantry, one lives by discipline and obedience. I could care less about what you think about LOW/ROE or the "Catch and Release" program in Iraq.

Behenna knew what he was doing was wrong. He made the call to turn the BFTs off for his entire platoon, so that they would not be tracked by the TOC. In doing so, he put his entire platoon at risk of a friendly fire incident.

He failed to report his movement to the TOC; once again, he put his entire platoon at risk of a friendly fire incident.

He assaulted a house without any prior Raven reconnaissance, SWT surveillance, or current SWT support in a neighborhood that has an incredible history of deadly firefights; again, this action placed his entire platoon at risk.

He then executed a person who, at that point in time, was a non-combatant.

There is nothing in that entire process of events that is anything other than disgraceful, despicable, and reckless. Behenna is not a hero and he should rot in the Disciplinary Barracks at Ft. Leavenworth for the rest of his miserable existence.
 
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